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Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil)

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i noticed mine was dark when other spp of cacti were used - that there was from a potent torch - also yesterday swim ate 212mg - either something went wrong or something but swim found it inferior to the hcl form.
 
Bancopuma said:
Personally, I'm a bit wary of heat...I mean its probably fine, as long as its not too hot (don't know how hot 'too hot' is), but I don't see it worth the risk. After one has expended time, energy and resources extracting the mescaline, it seems a bit silly risking your yield at the last hurdle wanting to get dry crystals really quickly.

That's just me though, am probably being over cautious, but a heat mat and a fan seem to do the job just fine.
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I'd like to add, I had 300mg slightly wet extract from this tek that had no heat applied to it at any point during the whole extraction and it gave me very noticeable OEV's and glass sharp CEV's.
400mg of extract that was dried using a fan heater seemed to be a bit milder. Paintings seemed to be slightly animated and CEV's weren't as clear.

The first extract was air-dried over 5 days and was still a little wet when consumed.

The second extract was dried with a fan heater for about 12 hours.

Both extracts were from the same batch of cactus, taken in similar conditions.
 
Well, too bad..SWIM should have been more cautious. Another advice: Don't do this extraction with just 35g. This stuff is sticky as hell and you won't be able to scrape it up, even after a couple of days in the oven at 50°C

In SWIMS opinion, this tek isn't worth the hassle. The end product is a pain to handle.
 
Your end product shouldn't be any more difficult to handle than DMT freebase.

I think if the starting material is good then this is the ultimate tek for it. It's certainly much better than messing around with Hcl.
 
Oh no, the vinegar contained Na2S2O5 Sodium Metabisulfite !!

Could this be the explaination why my freind doesn'T have much luck and: Is a dangerous reaction between the said substance and d-limonene/mescaline acetate possible ?
 
I recently extracted some old powdered San Pedro from Compras Peru I found...it was bit old, got it around a year ago.

I got a very low yield (230mg), although I did mess up and somehow manage to throw the limonene away from the first soak after just one vinegar pull (was distracted, talking at the time...d'oh). However I mixed it well and let it soak for ages.

It formed some really nice crystals on the plate, will try and get a photo up - but on scraping it up I found it MUCH harder to handle then my peruvian torch extract. The San Pedro extract is much darker in appearance, and much more tarry, sticky, and goes more liquidy on handling...the torch extract was much easier to handle and put into gel caps, and is more likely to be a purer source of mescaline.

So if your finding handling the end product tricky, maybe give torch a shot.
 
deamsterphile said:
PHLUX & Soulman

Your stuff looks beautiful!!!

AMOR_ you said your stuff was very dark, almost black?

You dry it in an oven?

Well cross your fingers for me...

Thanks 69ron you are a good friend indeed!!!!
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SWIM's had yields of tan waxes like those posted above, but it turns black when condensed; especially if melted.
 
Well SINK tested .1 and noticed very light effects, somewhat annoying at times, hoping it would come on stronger.

Began feeling something at about 2 hours,

The annoying feeling went away at about hour 4-5 and just felt like a very low dose of anything else. this lasted about 13 hours until SINK went to bed. left SINK wishing for more but please that an effect was noticed.

SINK used 100 grams of achuma and 100 grams of torch.

Final product yielded exactly 2 grams.

Still have the limonene from 2 extractions of each, and will continue to add vinegar until nothing is produced.
 
Hi all my friend has completed his first ever extraction :d . I will post report a little later but now my friend wishes to convert to HCl. 69ron sayes in the quote below to use concentrated hydrochloric acid. My friend would like to know at what percentage HCl. He has <30% as an off the shelf product.I thank you all for a great informative thread and to 69ron YOU ARE A LEGEND
Cheers GOT



69ron said:
There’s no need to freebase it. HCl is a stronger acid. All you do is cover the mescaline acetate with HCl, and the acetic acid is released. Dry it and all the acetic acid vaporizes away leaving mescaline HCl.

Actually it’s a great way of getting mescaline HCl. The problem with using HCl from the start is that evaporating away large amounts of hydrochloric acid (HCl) is very irritating to people. It’s better to use vinegar for the pull from the d-limonene. You can boil away vinegar, and it’s not nearly as irritating as hydrochloric acid. Then when it’s nearly dry, you cover it with some concentrated hydrochloric acid to convert the acetates to hydrochlorides, and then evaporate it away again. There should be a slight smell of hydrochloric acid while evaporating away the vinegar. If it only smells like vinegar, add more hydrochloric acid. There should be a slight excess of hydrochloric acid. Add more until it smells slightly of hydrochloric acid and then you know you’ve added enough.
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I ron sets hit dehydrator at 155f , so 170 with the door open should work.

I think the best suggestion is to use a heat pad like for seedlings and a fan, it would be the most gently way
 
deamsterphile said:
I ron sets hit dehydrator at 155f , so 170 with the door open should work.

I think the best suggestion is to use a heat pad like for seedlings and a fan, it would be the most gently way
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The same oven has a warming section up top that I guess would work the same way as a heating pad. Thanks
 
GoOnThen said:
Hi all my friend has completed his first ever extraction :d . I will post report a little later but now my friend wishes to convert to HCl. 69ron sayes in the quote below to use concentrated hydrochloric acid. My friend would like to know at what percentage HCl. He has <30% as an off the shelf product.
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That'll work just fine.
 
obliguhl said:
Oh no, the vinegar contained Na2S2O5 Sodium Metabisulfite !!

Could this be the explaination why my freind doesn'T have much luck and: Is a dangerous reaction between the said substance and d-limonene/mescaline acetate possible ?
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Any opinions from our chemists?
 
69ron said:
There’s no need to freebase it. HCl is a stronger acid. All you do is cover the mescaline acetate with HCl, and the acetic acid is released. Dry it and all the acetic acid vaporizes away leaving mescaline HCl.

Actually it’s a great way of getting mescaline HCl. The problem with using HCl from the start is that evaporating away large amounts of hydrochloric acid (HCl) is very irritating to people. It’s better to use vinegar for the pull from the d-limonene. You can boil away vinegar, and it’s not nearly as irritating as hydrochloric acid. Then when it’s nearly dry, you cover it with some concentrated hydrochloric acid to convert the acetates to hydrochlorides, and then evaporate it away again. There should be a slight smell of hydrochloric acid while evaporating away the vinegar. If it only smells like vinegar, add more hydrochloric acid. There should be a slight excess of hydrochloric acid. Add more until it smells slightly of hydrochloric acid and then you know you’ve added enough.
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Would 10% hcl solution be strong enough?
 
That's what SWIM uses. He never uses anything stronger than 10% for safety reasons.
 
A few recent observations...

Earlier today I had around 115mg of San Pedro extract, on an empty stomach...and I must say I am very, very impressed...the times before, unintentionally, I had tried it after eating, or just before eating. 100mg of torch extract on a full stomach produced a threshold experience (alcohol was also consumed that eve).

Another time, trying 200mg, it was very late in the eve, and I was tired, and had just eaten...and the mescaline was quite chilled out, despite being quite powerful...like has been observed before, mescaline does not generate energy from nowhere, it works with what you've got, so if you are tired or run down, your experience will also suffer.

Today, I was well rested, had an empty stomach, and washed it down with a strong coffee...and it was, and is, really beautiful...the euphoria is greater than my previous experience with 200mg!

Now I have experienced this, my MDMA taking days are definitely in the past...sod that shite, I've got something better!

So, thanks again Ron, you sir, are a legend.

Thus, in conclusion, the main bullet points of this presentation I want to get across are;

-Take it when you are well rested and on form

-Take it on an empty stomach

-Wash it down with a coffee/tea/yerba mate/guayusa...whatever

(These are all probably common sense)

Catch y'all later on down the trail... 😉
 
SWIM's so excited! He's getting a dehydrator like ron's (excalibur 2400). This will really speed up the process for him and he guesses that he will be able to distinguish between higher and lower purity portions of the extract. Would such a device be safe to use when making the HCl form, as well? Or would corrosion be an issue with this?

SWIM also got a hold of a little glacial acetic acid. Has anyone tried precipitating directly out of limonene with this?

Also, SWIM's last yield was about 430mg, but he suspects that the impurities increase with every successive pull, whatever they may be. Or else SWIM's just gotten too used to the effects and simply needs to find his high threshold. Moisture contamination may also be an issue...SWIM will know for sure after he gets his delivery.
 
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