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Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil)
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PlainCoil
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No pictures because SWIM's girlfriend ate it minutes after scraping it up.
It was less than 100mg, but she noticed effects at around the five hour point. It seemed to SWIM that she got a pretty good peak out of it, which tapered off and she fell asleep soon afterward.
SWIM simply added room temperature seltzer water to some d-limonene that had already been salted from with vinegar two or three times.
This was just for the hell of it to see what would happen.
Bubbling didn't really go crazy or anything, even though I shook it up some. A very clear layer formed within minutes, and it was drawn off with a flavor injecting syringe.
The seltzer water was then evaporated to reveal a small amount of nicely shaped crystals dissolved in the water.
Scraping showed them to be hard, slightly off white, needle shaped crystals that tasted really bitter on SWIM's tongue.
SWIM would love to try this with a fresh limonene pull. He also recommends that you guys give this a shot with your next limonene pull. What do you have to lose? Seltzer water is less than a dollar, just make sure it only has carbonated water on the ingredients.
It was less than 100mg, but she noticed effects at around the five hour point. It seemed to SWIM that she got a pretty good peak out of it, which tapered off and she fell asleep soon afterward.
SWIM simply added room temperature seltzer water to some d-limonene that had already been salted from with vinegar two or three times.
This was just for the hell of it to see what would happen.
Bubbling didn't really go crazy or anything, even though I shook it up some. A very clear layer formed within minutes, and it was drawn off with a flavor injecting syringe.
The seltzer water was then evaporated to reveal a small amount of nicely shaped crystals dissolved in the water.
Scraping showed them to be hard, slightly off white, needle shaped crystals that tasted really bitter on SWIM's tongue.
SWIM would love to try this with a fresh limonene pull. He also recommends that you guys give this a shot with your next limonene pull. What do you have to lose? Seltzer water is less than a dollar, just make sure it only has carbonated water on the ingredients.
Dwhitty76
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swim is a little frustrated that his brown'ish/red'ish goo is not drying at all.!! :x
He even tried spreading the goo out so it had more surface area, but still....just goo.
Him and a couple friends wanted to try it this weekend but swim will have no way of measuring the doseage unless it's dry.
Just venting frustration, but if anyone has any advice it would be appreciated.
He even tried spreading the goo out so it had more surface area, but still....just goo.
Him and a couple friends wanted to try it this weekend but swim will have no way of measuring the doseage unless it's dry.
Just venting frustration, but if anyone has any advice it would be appreciated.
Mescaline carbonate has sparked SWIM's interest. If it works as well as it sounds, it'd be an easy nontoxic way to render a more manageable salt. Plus, getting rid of the smell of vinegar would be nice.
Sounds like he had already pulled with vinegar and was testing the seltzer on the leftovers.
mapp said:
Sounds like he had already pulled with vinegar and was testing the seltzer on the leftovers.
antichode
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Dwhitty76 said:
SWIMS experience with the Pedro is that at least %50 of the alkaloids were not Mescaline, and that these other alkaloids never completely dry, they remain as a thick sticky mass. If SWIY wants a powdery product he will have to convert it to HCL and then wash with acetone
Depends what you want to gas with the CO2. The non-polar solvent or something else ?GoOnThen said:
Note that CO2 is not always interchangeable with carbonic acid. CO2 dissolved in water gives carbonic acid. So, gassing the non-polar solvent with CO2 is unlikely to precipitate mesc-carbonate in a similar fashion as gassing the non-polar solvent with HCl gas gives mesc-chloride.
Oh. What did SWIM do then? He mixed seltzer water with his d-limonened-pulled vinegar. He shook it a little in a water bottle (it didn't bubble) and it evaported into a lighter brown and less dense gooey mass than his previous pulls. It was about 30mg, which was expected. Is it still active mescaline acetate?PlainCoil said:
Did SWIY mix seltzer water with a full ~300ml limonene pull? How long did it take to evaporate, and would a little heat be safe to use?
The only limonene SWIM has left has been pulled through cactus 2 times, so he's thinking it's probably no good but will try seltzer water anyway!
PlainCoil
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Sorry, maybe I wasn't being clear.
SWIM just had some old limonene sitting out that he thought might have some alkaloids left in it, so he decided to try a different approach than salting them out with vinegar. So he used seltzer water instead.
No vinegar ever came into contact with the seltzer water. I don't think anything bad would happen if you mixed them but that wasn't what SWIM was trying to do.
You might have a mix, I guess. Who knows?
It doesn't take long to evaporate, as long as the vinegar water.
SWIM just had some old limonene sitting out that he thought might have some alkaloids left in it, so he decided to try a different approach than salting them out with vinegar. So he used seltzer water instead.
No vinegar ever came into contact with the seltzer water. I don't think anything bad would happen if you mixed them but that wasn't what SWIM was trying to do.
You might have a mix, I guess. Who knows?
It doesn't take long to evaporate, as long as the vinegar water.
Well SWIM mixed seltzer water with his 4th d-limonene pull, that had already been re-used from the 3rd pull. He had his limonene/seltzer water mix evaporate in the oven at around 130F with the door open and it scraped up resembling a syrupy color and consistency, it measures 162mg! His 4th vinegar pull only yielded 30mg (from 50g cactus) so he wasn't expecting much from the limonene/seltzer water mix. SWIM will have to try if it is active.PlainCoil said:
mapp said:
Wait, so SWIY's evaporating the seltzer water and the limonene together? SWIM would assume that would result in a gooey, highly impure yield. PlainCoil is using seltzer water in place of vinegar (carbonic acid in place of acetic) and seperating it from the limonene before evaporating the water.
Oh, thanks for pointing that out! I guess SWIM's yield is completely disposable then as he did not separate the seltzer water from the limonene and evaporated them both at the same time. However SWIM was ready to dispose all his leftovers from this tek before hastily reading the posts of seltzer water, so it's not a big deal that he didn't do it right or that the yield is unusable.amor_fati said:
Quick update....
Swim ingested 75mg + 20mg booster after a couple of hours, 3 datura strammonium seeds, and coffee worth 340mg Caffeine. He has to say that the coffee was too much, as he got nausea from it. He'd say that 200mg caffeine is perfect and a MUST!!! It's so much better with coffee. The main effects were quite nice. Not very strong though. His body felt like silk and he just could sit there in PEACE AND HARMONY forever.
The next time he wants to try 150mg +100mg booster ..what do you think?
Swim ingested 75mg + 20mg booster after a couple of hours, 3 datura strammonium seeds, and coffee worth 340mg Caffeine. He has to say that the coffee was too much, as he got nausea from it. He'd say that 200mg caffeine is perfect and a MUST!!! It's so much better with coffee. The main effects were quite nice. Not very strong though. His body felt like silk and he just could sit there in PEACE AND HARMONY forever.
The next time he wants to try 150mg +100mg booster ..what do you think?
SWIM went ahead with the seltzer water: Salting out Mescaline Carbonate using Seltzer Water - Preparation - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
Before he went ahead with that he noticed a layer in the bottom of his limonene used and reused for extraction. He siphoned it out and evaporated. What he got was similar to mescaline acetate, but much more dense and crystalline. He couldn't tell what it was, but there was a hefty amount of it (many many grams, probably). It was water-soluble, but it seemed to react with acetic acid (as in the picture). SWIM put it back into the basified cactus material with a bit of extra lime, since he couldn't identify it. He'll continue to pull from the material.
Before he went ahead with that he noticed a layer in the bottom of his limonene used and reused for extraction. He siphoned it out and evaporated. What he got was similar to mescaline acetate, but much more dense and crystalline. He couldn't tell what it was, but there was a hefty amount of it (many many grams, probably). It was water-soluble, but it seemed to react with acetic acid (as in the picture). SWIM put it back into the basified cactus material with a bit of extra lime, since he couldn't identify it. He'll continue to pull from the material.
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antichode
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amor_fati said:
SWIM also had a layer in his limo once it was pulled, he kept adding it back to the limo for each pull and extraction but then when all extracting was done he decided to try salt this layer and see if there was any mesc in it. Once evaporated he was left with a product very similar to what SWIY has posted, it was quite tough and formed 1cm shards on the pan. It also stank of a tangy sort of smell. SWIM thinks this was a small amount of very fine calcium hydroxide mixed with water and with the addition of acid, calcium hcl was formed. SWIM doesnt have enough experience to know this for sure tho. It didn't smell good and had a sharp burn when it hit the tongue so SWIM threw it out.
Dwhitty76
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Swim has a question. Can he clean up the impure gooey mescaline by doing the procedure at the end of rons mesc. hcl tek, using acetone and 99% isopropyl?
Dealing with the goo is kind of a pain in the arse and was just wondering the best way to clean it.
The only thing is, is that swim was pulling with vinegar and not water/hcl solution.....so he wasn't sure if that would have a negative effect if he tried to clean up this goo, using acetone and 99% ipo,or does it matter? If it does matter, is there another way to clean the goo?
Any suggestions?
Dealing with the goo is kind of a pain in the arse and was just wondering the best way to clean it.
The only thing is, is that swim was pulling with vinegar and not water/hcl solution.....so he wasn't sure if that would have a negative effect if he tried to clean up this goo, using acetone and 99% ipo,or does it matter? If it does matter, is there another way to clean the goo?
Any suggestions?