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Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil)

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There's not really a good way to clean this... I think the best you can do is to convert it back to a base and clean that, then go back to acetate.

Never thought it was worth it to be honest.

Mescaline acetate as well as its impurities seem to be super soluble in everything so the Hcl method won't work all that well.
 
soulfood said:
hought it was worth it to be honest..
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It is definitely worth it, if you used Pedro then a large proportion of your end product is not Mescaline, the other alkaloids have a very strange effect and its not to some peoples taste.

Dwitty, you can clean the product if you first convert it to HCL. Just mix your acetate with an HCL solution so that there is no more vinegar smell. Then wash it with acetone and ipa. SWIM didnt have IPA so just used acetone and the results were excellent, the end product has very little smell and is almost white. The effects are nicer than the full extract mix in SWIMS opinion
 
69ron said:
There’s no need to freebase it. HCl is a stronger acid. All you do is cover the mescaline acetate with HCl, and the acetic acid is released. Dry it and all the acetic acid vaporizes away leaving mescaline HCl.

Actually it’s a great way of getting mescaline HCl. The problem with using HCl from the start is that evaporating away large amounts of hydrochloric acid (HCl) is very irritating to people. It’s better to use vinegar for the pull from the d-limonene. You can boil away vinegar, and it’s not nearly as irritating as hydrochloric acid. Then when it’s nearly dry, you cover it with some concentrated hydrochloric acid to convert the acetates to hydrochlorides, and then evaporate it away again. There should be a slight smell of hydrochloric acid while evaporating away the vinegar. If it only smells like vinegar, add more hydrochloric acid. There should be a slight excess of hydrochloric acid. Add more until it smells slightly of hydrochloric acid and then you know you’ve added enough.
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Ron says %10 HCL works fine, but a stronger solution will have the same effect, its just nastier to work with. Safer to dilute it
 
antichode said:
SWIM also had a layer in his limo once it was pulled, he kept adding it back to the limo for each pull and extraction but then when all extracting was done he decided to try salt this layer and see if there was any mesc in it. Once evaporated he was left with a product very similar to what SWIY has posted, it was quite tough and formed 1cm shards on the pan. It also stank of a tangy sort of smell. SWIM thinks this was a small amount of very fine calcium hydroxide mixed with water and with the addition of acid, calcium hcl was formed. SWIM doesnt have enough experience to know this for sure tho. It didn't smell good and had a sharp burn when it hit the tongue so SWIM threw it out.
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SWIM's crystals fit the description exactly (even down to the taste). SWIM's confident it won't crop up again unless he lets excess moisture into the his THP (since it's not soluble in limonene but soluble in water). He's fairly certain it contained some amount of mescaline though, which is why he decided to recycle it.
 
Re converting to HCL: My friend used 33% on some semi dry stuff and from what he could tell it burnt the product i would go 10%.
You can then wash with acetone and ipa as per the HCL tech.
Cheers
Got
 
antichode said:
soulfood said:
hought it was worth it to be honest..
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It is definitely worth it, if you used Pedro then a large proportion of your end product is not Mescaline, the other alkaloids have a very strange effect and its not to some peoples taste.
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True, but I like the whole food grade element of this tek.
 
soulfood said:
antichode said:
soulfood said:
hought it was worth it to be honest..
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It is definitely worth it, if you used Pedro then a large proportion of your end product is not Mescaline, the other alkaloids have a very strange effect and its not to some peoples taste.
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True, but I like the whole food grade element of this tek.
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Me too.

I like the carbonated water idea too. That's also food grade. It's possible that using carbonate water will yield a cleaner product than either vinegar or HCl. The reason is that the carbonic acid in carbonated water is a very weak acid and only able to salt strong bases. Mescaline is a strong enough base to form a salt with it. The other alkaloids might not be. It’s my understanding that quite a bit of alkaloids will not form carbonates because they are not strong enough bases, but they would form acetates or hydrochlorides.

If carbonated water helps cut down the impurities then it’s a great improvement on the tech.

Also, what are the solubilities of mescaline carbonate? Is it soluble in alcohol? If not, you could maybe clean it using food grade alcohol.

There’s another thread for this carbonated water idea found here. I won’t talk much more about it in this thread. It would be great to develop a complete tech using D-limonene and carbonated water. Some people HATE the smell of vinegar, and mescaline acetate is hard to clean, leaving you with a sticky extract. The non-mescaline alkaloids are the cause of most of the stickiness. Pure mescaline acetate is white and has a DMT-like waxy texture.
 
So could you use carbonated water with the food grade DMT tek (calcium hydroxide & limonene) as well instead of vinegar?
 
You could but I think Fumaric acid saturated water is the way forward for that purpose. DMT just loves being sticky in anything else.

That said, I know nothing about DMT carbonate.
 
I don't think DMT carbonate is possible because it's pKa is very low. I could be wrong though. But anyway, this is WAY OFF TOPIC.
 
SWIY should go with seltzer water that has no other ingredients besides carbonated water.

SWIM thinks perrier and that stuff has minerals and junk that would affect the final weight. Club soda often has preservatives and even high fructose corn syrup sometimes.

SWIM could only find one grocery store that has pure seltzer water, but I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard if you looked.
 
SWIM found his breakthrough dose with mescaline acetate at around 500mg. The acetate used was the purest he's had so far, as he used glacial acetic acid and a food dehydrator. The product was tan and waxy and not very gooey at all. The experience was the closest he's come to LSD without LSD. He's reached this point within a couple hours. SWIM's FOAF had a less powerful experience with the same does. Now SWIM's used the last of his acetate and will be moving on to carbonate.
 
What concentration vinegar is needed to work with? Swim can access to 10, 15, and 20% vinegar. Is it important how concentrated the vinegar?
 
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