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Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil)

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5% is recommended, though I'm sure one could go much lower. I'm also pretty confident that the other grades you listed would do just fine without even requiring dilution, but why stray from what works so well? Just dilute your 10% with an equal volume distilled water.



A quick addition I'd like to make to this thread:

I started a fresh extraction yesterday, deciding to run a little experiment. I figured since my cactus/lime/water mixture always seems to retain 100ml of limonene, that I would add an extra 100ml of water, pushing the ratio from 3ml/g cactus, to 4ml/g cactus.

At first I was worried since the cactus mixture became MUCH softer than I'm used to, though this ended up being convenient for the mixing. I let the limo sit for 24hrs and poured it off. To my surprise I had STILL lost exactly 100ml like I always do! However, this time the vinegar washes took on that slightly yellowed color SWIYers have reported. I ended up with my best, cleanest yield from a first pull yet!

Though .9% at first seemed like an iota less than I usually pull, I had let this plate heat-dry to a very dry powder and I figure my initial measurements must have been skewed by some percentage water weight. The dry acetate xtals formed this huge beautiful clean pile that nigh made my eyes pop and mouth water.

My conclusion: experiment with the water ratio! Though over-saturated cactus seems to absorb just as much, if not more limonene, as long as one doesn't add way too much, the extra water seems to help the lime break the cactus down, and having softer cactus from the get-go makes the mixing more efficient. From now on I will definitely be using 3.5-4ml/g of cactus.

Once I'm done with the second pull (that's all I do anymore), I will post the final yield, along with a weight comparison between the mescaline acetate and purified mescaline HCl.
 
Just a quick question to 69ron:

How would SWIY feel about SWIM posting this tek on STI (somewhere that isn't) the shroomery?

They could really use this one over there, they are still using xylene and citric acid.

What do you say?
 
Go ahead and copy and paste this tech into as many forums as you like. The original tech at the beginning of this thread is released as a public domain tech and anyone who wants to copy any portion of it is free to do so.
 
I'd like to wait until I have the data, but I feel I must make the correction as soon as possible.

My cactus mixture turned into a loose gelatinous mess since yesterday. Only 150ml limonene retrieved. So don't add more than 3ml/g cactus unless you will be extracting withing 24 hours. However I still have faith in the feasibility of this method. Next time I will double the CaOH and do 4ml/g again. will do three pulls withing 24-36 hours.

In better news I got some carbonated water and did pulls with 120ml on 100ml limo. Fresh second pull limo. Evapping right now. Also did two pulls w/ acetic. Will be converting the carbonate into HCl as well, for quantitative reasons.
 
Swim just wants to say xylene sucks! Thanks for this tek Ron, Swims tired of smelling like a marker after doing an extraction.
 
Ok the results are in:

My attempt to do an initial carbonate pull on my second limo pull failed, theories in the carbonated water thread.

A subsequent vinegar pull did yield another .3%. Very clean too!

Then I took 1 gram of impure acetate salts (very red in some spots), and converted it into HCl. From the conversion alone the weight reduced to .9g (did the math and this is consistent with replacing acetate with HCl).

Then I did one acetone wash and two IPA washes. The dried result shrunk to .6g! The result looks MUCH purer though it's not even 100% yet :(

Do to concerns about mechanical losses and a dislike for evaporating HCl solutions, I will probably be staying with acetate salts, but now I know to multiply my yields my ~.66 depending on how 'red' it is. Oh well 1% yields are nothing to laugh at (even if I had hoped they were more like 1.5%).
 
so afoaf sent me a picture of his/her latest limonene acetic acid torch extraction.

just thought i,d share it with the comunity since it looks very nice,also nice little effects noticed
from 150mg, swims looking forward to the weekend:)

1.78grams from 100g torch.
enjoy.
 

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haha the lighter is totaly unintentional.

my foaf's last two extractions have yielded 1.80 and 1.79 from 100g both different cactus suppliers.
only differance has been the last 1 was almost pink!
 
Hmmm lets see swim's not taken shrooms for a couple of years now, and he cant say he's
ever eaten a gram dried, so i cant make an exact comparison.

but what he felt was a slight stimulation of his body, with a light happy feeling of being more aware of his
own thoughts and the world around him. he was able to talk drive and interact with people no problem at all,
and no visual effects whatsoever.

it was consumed in a capsual at 11.15am and started feeling nice around 1.15 pm and felt it for approx
6 hours after that. all in all he said "it felt like a little bit of sunshine inside him":d .

hope this helped.

peace.
 
Buster said:
Hmmm lets see swim's not taken shrooms for a couple of years now, and he cant say he's
ever eaten a gram dried, so i cant make an exact comparison.

but what he felt was a slight stimulation of his body, with a light happy feeling of being more aware of his
own thoughts and the world around him. he was able to talk drive and interact with people no problem at all,
and no visual effects whatsoever.

it was consumed in a capsual at 11.15am and started feeling nice around 1.15 pm and felt it for approx
6 hours after that. all in all he said "it felt like a little bit of sunshine inside him":d .

hope this helped.

peace.
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Fascinating. Great to read, too, since a lot of less-refined forums have people going on about how they don't get off without 500mg of mesc, and how 100g of dried p. torch is enough for 1 trip :lol:
 
Hmmmm, my imaginary friend is part way through his imaginary extraction and was wondering has anybody else had to use much less than 300mls of water to moisten up their cactus mix?

He's tried this once before with coarsely ground cactus and the amounts were correct. This time with cactus that's closer to powdered, 150mls produced a slightly wetter product that 300 did last time :? He stopped there because he gathers that excess water is a big no no, but he's wondering if the lack of it will affect anything.
 
Touche Guevara said:
Fascinating. Great to read, too, since a lot of less-refined forums have people going on about how they don't get off without 500mg of mesc, and how 100g of dried p. torch is enough for 1 trip :lol:
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SWIM actually understands where their coming from on this. While SWIM can feel and enjoy the effects around 100mg, he would much rather have that 100mg contributing to a trip of the magnitude of LSD, rather than a series of mildly psychedelic mood-lifters; which--don't get SWIM wrong--would be nice with larger amounts available to him. In terms of psychedelia, mescaline doesn't even begin to approach the level of 1g of psilocybe until it's already surpassed it (at least, in SWIM's experience). For SWIM, there's so much more to mescaline than what <500mg can offer, and SWIM would prefer to explore that as long as he has to choose.

While generally seems to have a good sense for even the most mild of psychedelic experiences, he's also got a hefty appetite for the strongest. Like with bufo, though he does enjoy eating the seeds, he's never satisfied without a decent toke of extracted bufo.


Frenzal said:
Hmmmm, my imaginary friend is part way through his imaginary extraction and was wondering has anybody else had to use much less than 300mls of water to moisten up their cactus mix?

He's tried this once before with coarsely ground cactus and the amounts were correct. This time with cactus that's closer to powdered, 150mls produced a slightly wetter product that 300 did last time :? He stopped there because he gathers that excess water is a big no no, but he's wondering if the lack of it will affect anything.
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As long as it's not runny, it can be a pain to get basified moisture contamination in the limonene, as it will form an undesirable solid product (calcium acetate) when it reacts with the vinegar and can be a little tricky to seperate out.
 
amor_fati said:
In terms of psychedelia, mescaline doesn't even begin to approach the level of 1g of psilocybe until it's already surpassed it (at least, in SWIM's experience)..
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It does seem that it varies a lot from person to person. For SWIM, 230mg produced a very similar experience to a few grams of cubensis. SWIM was very surprised at how active it was. 500mg would put SIWM into a very immersive experience
 
So should the vinegar look pretty much clear after decanting from the limonene?

Was it enough to just give it a good shake after adding to the limonene, or is more time to extract necessary?
 
You need to mix the two liquids vigorously, preferrably vortexing them for 5 minutes either by hand or with a magnetic stirrer.

However, my vinegar has almost always come off clear, just a little foggy. My purest, biggest pull did have a yellow tint, though.
 
SuperRad said:
You need to mix the two liquids vigorously, preferrably vortexing them for 5 minutes either by hand or with a magnetic stirrer.

However, my vinegar has almost always come off clear, just a little foggy. My purest, biggest pull did have a yellow tint, though.
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Thanks, SWIM had been a little worried that he'd done something wrong. Now looking at a pea-sized speck that appears nearly identical to Buster's picture. Still need to finish evapping the rest of the pan, but it seems that the magic just needs to be coaxed out with much respect and dedication. By which I mean vortexing the shit out of the vinegar/limonene. And maybe it would be helpful to shake the torch/limo mix, instead of just stirring occasionally and leaving it over night?
 
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