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Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil)

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I don't know. It seems like some testing is in order here. Drying the same exact extract from the same pull at a few different temperatures and then testing activity is probably the best test SWIM could do when he has the time.
 
Thanks:)

This tech was actually inspired by Coatl. Coatl got SWIM interested in cactus after SWIM gave up on it many years ago. After talking with Coatl, SWIM knew he wanted to give cactus another try, and that he wanted a tech that was 100% natural, with all food grade ingredients. SWIM saw that xylene was often very successfully used to extract mescaline. Xylene is one of the worst solvents there is. It stinks really badly, and is very toxic. Almost everyone hates xylene. SWIM started looking at the chemical structure of xylene, and from that he saw d-limonene’s shape was actually very similar to xylene. Based solely on its chemical shape, SWIM had a hunch that d-limonene would likely work just as well as xylene for extracting mescaline. He was surprised to find that not only did it work, it worked better than xylene did!

SWIM believes this tech was a gift from God. When he looks at all the pieces that lead to this tech, he saw a pattern that looked to be guided by the hands of God. This tech would not exist had several events not taken place at around the same time. SWIM was just starting to learn about d-limonene, just started to get to know Coatl, and had for the first time got potent cacti from a vendor, and several other events took place as well, all within the same month which lead to this tech. It was as if all the stars were aligned so to speak. I definitely feel this tech was a gift from God. It’s simple enough that almost anyone can do it. It requires no toxic chemicals and its completely safe for the environment. It’s what I would like all techs to be.
 
It is funny how some things in life are only able to occur by a chain of unlikely events, any one of which could have just as easily not have happened. It is definitely a blessing, and it is incredibly exciting to even bear witness to such a revolutionary change in the way mescaline reaches the people.
 
I left my first vinegar pull in the oven too long and was left with a super sticky mess that scraped up reddish.
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The same for Swim. Would explain, why 200mg is some kind of a threshold dose for light euphoria for my friend. At the other hand side, the seltzer pulls are also quite red...but I guess that's due to using orange oil not d-limonene.

Btw: Is there any way to clean said seltzer pulls? It's very very dry now, but also full of orange oil contaminations....
 
question for 69ron
a friend of mine has around 1g of orange mesc acetate. he was silly and scraped it up too quickly. it's still gooey and wet.

he'd like to convert it to mesc hcl and has IPA, acetone and filter papers.

what's the process?

he thanks you.
 
isiton? said:
question for 69ron
a friend of mine has around 1g of orange mesc acetate. he was silly and scraped it up too quickly. it's still gooey and wet.

he'd like to convert it to mesc hcl and has IPA, acetone and filter papers.

what's the process?

he thanks you.
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69ron said:
There’s no need to freebase it. HCl is a stronger acid. All you do is cover the mescaline acetate with HCl, and the acetic acid is released. Dry it and all the acetic acid vaporizes away leaving mescaline HCl.

Actually it’s a great way of getting mescaline HCl. The problem with using HCl from the start is that evaporating away large amounts of hydrochloric acid (HCl) is very irritating to people. It’s better to use vinegar for the pull from the d-limonene. You can boil away vinegar, and it’s not nearly as irritating as hydrochloric acid. Then when it’s nearly dry, you cover it with some concentrated hydrochloric acid to convert the acetates to hydrochlorides, and then evaporate it away again. There should be a slight smell of hydrochloric acid while evaporating away the vinegar. If it only smells like vinegar, add more hydrochloric acid. There should be a slight excess of hydrochloric acid. Add more until it smells slightly of hydrochloric acid and then you know you’ve added enough.
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Mycokris said:
what if you put your pan of vinegar on a pot of boiling water to evap it?
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The last few pages have had people experiencing potency loss, likely due to heating. It is currently unknown at when temperature and how rapidly mescaline acetate degrades, but just to be on the safe side it may be advisable to do without heat, and instead work up some combination of desiccant and air circulation.
 
hey all, haven't posted on here in a long time, but plan to start being more active, the forum is much larger than when I first visited it!

Anyway, I had a dream where I tried out this tek, but in the dream I could not for the life of me get all the d-limonene out of the torch cactus. I was using a french press, but nothing would come through the strainer after a while. Cactus goop would start to ooze around the sides of the strainer after I pressed very hard, but no oil. There is definitely still a ton of oil left in the cactus goop, but I'm unsure as to how to retrieve it. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Also, in this dream I couldn't find any Ca(OH)2 so, I substituted the equivalent amount in NaOH, if that would play any role in the oil being stuck.
 
SWIM also experienced very mild effects from his first try with this tek. The mesc looked nearly white and scrapped up pretty dry but didn't seem all too strong. He salted with vinegar and didn't use any heat through the entire process, just dried everything out with a fan, worked great. He started with 100mg, waited two hours and took another 100mg. Definitely felt it but not what he was expecting. Decided to convert the rest to HCL, clean with acetone and 99% IPA (which didn't seem to clean much of anything), and took the remaining 100mg and fell asleep about 2 hours later. The cactus was homegrown and had been cut about 3-4 months before actually peeling and skinning it; it had just been sitting around outside trying to stay alive before that :( Total yield was only around 300mg from 100 grams of the green outer flesh. I had read that more mescaline is produced from stressed cactus and I was hoping that my extra stressed specimens would prove the point, but it seems to have gone in the other direction. No worries though, the tek definitely works and SWIM has a half pound of pachanaoi powder on the way (from HP) and will give it another shot, wish him luck!
 
SWIM seems to believe that a mescaline breakthrough must occur in as rapid of a dose as possible, that perhaps a rapid, short-term tolerance develops which will render later subsequent doses as largely ineffective. Or perhaps staggering the doses simply overlaps the effects in such a way that they don't compound and contribute to one-another. SWIM's experience in this is limited however. Also, 100-200mg tends to be quite mild for SWIM, as well, no matter what the quality of product (among what he's tried, that is).
 
This fascinates swim.

Whatever white stuff you've got there looks very different from the amber wax and dark goo which this tek has rendered him so far.

How come batches come out so different?
What percentage is mescaline and how much do other alkaloids contribute to the experience?
Does stressing really help, or should you harvest when cacti are in full growth?

And then there's the issue with some people feeling affects as low as 75mg and others needing something like half a gram for things to get noticeable.

I'm going to start a thread on this, give me an hour or two.
 
amor_fati said:
SWIM seems to believe that a mescaline breakthrough must occur in as rapid of a dose as possible, that perhaps a rapid, short-term tolerance develops which will render later subsequent doses as largely ineffective. Or perhaps staggering the doses simply overlaps the effects in such a way that they don't compound and contribute to one-another. SWIM's experience in this is limited however. Also, 100-200mg tends to be quite mild for SWIM, as well, no matter what the quality of product (among what he's tried, that is).
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The idea of tolerance accumulating much at all has been strongly discredited by many anecdotes in this thread. Could be individual resistance or weak cactus, though that doesn't explain what that 200mg of material was if the tek was followed precisely.


On an unrelated note, SWIM had stashed his used limonene in the freezer while deciding what to do with it. He noticed that something has precipitated. Is this just fat or something? Worth straining out and bioassaying?
 
Touche Guevara said:
The idea of tolerance accumulating much at all has been strongly discredited by many anecdotes in this thread. Could be individual resistance or weak cactus, though that doesn't explain what that 200mg of material was if the tek was followed precisely.
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SWIM's aware, but he's referring to having taken a dose that is plenty active but simply not as strong as SWIM would like and then taken a hefty portion from the same batch after a few hours. SWIM's had similar experience with brews, as well. It just seems to plateau 'til he comes down. Maybe this is just SWIM's experience, but it couldn't simply be individual resistance considering the levels SWIM's reached in the past. But perhaps it is just varying degrees of potency in his yields. SWIM'll just have to be more meticulous in the future to assess the cause. It would be great if SWIM could just take more when he's unsatisfied with the potency, not to mention having to take less in general.


Touche Guevara said:
On an unrelated note, SWIM had stashed his used limonene in the freezer while deciding what to do with it. He noticed that something has precipitated. Is this just fat or something? Worth straining out and bioassaying?
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SWIM got a very red, thick and hard crystalline resin a from a similar instance. It turned out to weigh much more than he would expect from the amount of cactus and in consideration of the yields from previous pulls. SWIM posted about it, and it seemed likely to be the product of reaction between acetic acid and lime. SWIM figured it probably had some product trapped in it though, so he mixed it back in with the cactus. This could account for some of the impurities SWIYs have been extracting, considering its distinctly red hue. SWIM has a separatory funnel, now, so he wonders if that would remedy such aberrations with future extractions.
 
So as to the heat/evaporation problem: what about after maybe 24 hours when the product is somewhat gooey, adding just a bit of acetone? The idea being that it would increase the surface area of the mixture, displace the water in the product, and evaporate much faster.
 
You can do the same thing with alcohol, but it's not as effective as acetone. Adding some alcohol will allow the water to evaporate faster.
 
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