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Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil)
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kemist
John
So parrot have done following:
1, 30g of dried powdered pedro outer flesh, 7,5 g (90%)Ca(OH)2 and 90 ml(parboiled) tap water mixed for 15 minutes (seem to be little bit too much watery
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Extracted 4 hours with 90 ml of R-limonene in stainless steel container with lid, stired ocasionaly with wooden stick.
2, When strained, only 40-50 ml of limonene was recovered(french coffee press wasn`t available)
Therefore another portion of 90 ml limonene was added and stirred ocasionaly for another 4 hours, then strained.
3,Limonene extract were pooled together gave about 150 ml of clear greenish liquid.
This were extracted 3 times with 40 , 30 and 20 ml of vinegar. After evaporation about 250mg of orange-redish sticky goo which wasn`t bioassayed yet
4, In this point 100 grams of MgSO4.7H2O was baked at 250 C to obtain about 50 grams of anhydrous salt. This was cooled down a little and then added to the mixture.
After only one fifth of the epsom salt was added the mixture spat out good 20 ml of limo, but when he finished with adding epsom salt most of it soaked back in and mixture become too sticky and gooey for sucessfull extraction
5, He decide to get rid of all the water (about 90g of water) and added another 50 grams of anhydrous salt
and 90 ml of limo, after intensive stirring the mixture become sandy like.He let it sit over night (stirerd just couple of times) then stirred occasionaly for four hours
This time he used french coffee press and recovered about 70 ml of limo.
6, The volume of mixture rose very much, after adding all that epsom salt so he decide to reuse limonene and continue with extracting
Used Limonene was washed with distilled water twice, then separeted and half of it (about 60 ml) added
to the sandy mixture and stirred for 5 hours ocassionaly.
7, French pressed, filtered trough coffee filter, pooled together with 70 ml from previous step and filtered again trough coffee filter.
(Reused limo picked up significantly darker green colour)
8, Limo was extracted with 50, 30 and 20 ml of vinegar which evaporated just today and it look like another 200 mg of brown, yellow reddish sticky resin with smell resemble the one of citric acid :?: for some reason.
1, 30g of dried powdered pedro outer flesh, 7,5 g (90%)Ca(OH)2 and 90 ml(parboiled) tap water mixed for 15 minutes (seem to be little bit too much watery
)Extracted 4 hours with 90 ml of R-limonene in stainless steel container with lid, stired ocasionaly with wooden stick.
2, When strained, only 40-50 ml of limonene was recovered(french coffee press wasn`t available)
Therefore another portion of 90 ml limonene was added and stirred ocasionaly for another 4 hours, then strained.
3,Limonene extract were pooled together gave about 150 ml of clear greenish liquid.
This were extracted 3 times with 40 , 30 and 20 ml of vinegar. After evaporation about 250mg of orange-redish sticky goo which wasn`t bioassayed yet
4, In this point 100 grams of MgSO4.7H2O was baked at 250 C to obtain about 50 grams of anhydrous salt. This was cooled down a little and then added to the mixture.
After only one fifth of the epsom salt was added the mixture spat out good 20 ml of limo, but when he finished with adding epsom salt most of it soaked back in and mixture become too sticky and gooey for sucessfull extraction
5, He decide to get rid of all the water (about 90g of water) and added another 50 grams of anhydrous salt
and 90 ml of limo, after intensive stirring the mixture become sandy like.He let it sit over night (stirerd just couple of times) then stirred occasionaly for four hours
This time he used french coffee press and recovered about 70 ml of limo.
6, The volume of mixture rose very much, after adding all that epsom salt so he decide to reuse limonene and continue with extracting
Used Limonene was washed with distilled water twice, then separeted and half of it (about 60 ml) added
to the sandy mixture and stirred for 5 hours ocassionaly.
7, French pressed, filtered trough coffee filter, pooled together with 70 ml from previous step and filtered again trough coffee filter.
(Reused limo picked up significantly darker green colour)
8, Limo was extracted with 50, 30 and 20 ml of vinegar which evaporated just today and it look like another 200 mg of brown, yellow reddish sticky resin with smell resemble the one of citric acid :?: for some reason.
Infinite I
JC
Swims made a stupid mistake at the beginning of the tek. He didnt have the internet so thought he had it in his head. He didnt add 300ml of water to make a paste with the cactus and lime and just added the limonene and started mixing, he got on the internet and realised his terrible error, any advice, the cactus is still sitting there with limonene in its first soak. Anyone any advice tips to save it?
damiana
Cosmic Dragon
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Hmm that is a tough situation. I would say be patient and wait for 69ron or someone to answer before you do any thing else. For sure the hydrated lime didn't react with the cactus without water so the limo will probably not pull anything, it would seem that you could drain off most of the limo as possible, add the 300ml of water and mix. readd the limo and hope it works. Don't do that until someone else confirms this though. Good luck and be patient.
Hmm that is a tough situation. I would say be patient and wait for 69ron or someone to answer before you do any thing else. For sure the hydrated lime didn't react with the cactus without water so the limo will probably not pull anything, it would seem that you could drain off most of the limo as possible, add the 300ml of water and mix. readd the limo and hope it works. Don't do that until someone else confirms this though. Good luck and be patient.
Infinite I
JC
Cheers thats what swim was thinking, he cant beleive his stupidity, thats what he gets for rushing things :roll:
Ok, can someone salvage this? Friend forgot to mix the cactus powder and calcium hydroxide mix with water prior to adding the d-limonene during an extraction. Now, instead of a clear greenish fluid,he has a pea soupy liquid. What is the best way to salvage the maximum goodies from the goopy mess he has? Is there anything to salt out of the d-limonene, or did the lack of H2O prior to adding the solvent brevent proper basification? How to save this mess? Ideas from the chemists out there?
kemist
John
Madcapv2 said:
ILPT never follow teks exactly. HE DOESN`T NEED A TEK because he is a chemist, He need to only know the `behaviour` of desirable alkaloid like solubility in different solvents, creation of salts , melting point etc... Then he knows what he doing all the time and doesn`t need anything to follow. He also like to do many different modification because he is imensly bored when doing the same process many times.
Anyway So far he found that only 1/20 from total amount of epsom salt added would sufficiently release more limonene.
Means 10 grams of epsom salt added to mixture of 30 g flesh 7,5 g calc and 90ml water affter couple of pulls will do the trick.
For this very first time ILPT followed Ron`s measurement of `ingredients` to dot and it was TOO MUCH WATERY !
Maybe he has different flesh or calc or whatever but it was too much watery for sure.
It easy to found the right ammount of water.
50 g of anhydrous epsom salt can absorb roughly 50 grams of water.
Means 10 g would absorb just 10 ml what leading to conclusion that the rigt amount of water should be 80 ml water to 30 grams of flesh and 7,5g of calcium hydroxide
Means one just need slightly less then 270 ml of water to 100g of flesh and 25 g of calc
When he started adding more epsom salt he reached the point, where mixture of water flesh and calc get extremely viscosous and sticky like some resin which is not good as it makes extracting(acces of solvent to alkaloids) difficult.
In this point it can be only saved by adding the whole ammount of MgSo4. This solidify that watery flesh-calc mixture to sand like texture.
This mean that a lot of epsom salt is added{3 times more then weight of flesh} what raise the volume of mixture tremendously. This shouldn`t be problem when using THP method, ILPT presume, but for normal liquid/solid extraction is inappropriate as solid phase trapping solvent inside and have to be rinsed many times.
Only ONE EXPERIMENT was done so far.He enjoyed it very much and would experiment further
Infinite I
JC
grrr31 said:
Weird coincidence swim done the exact same stupid thing yesterday
:x He spoke to someone on chat and they said maybe filter out the cactus save it then add the lime, thing is hes not sure wether or not to let it dry out then add the water and lime. hes saved the cactus, squeezed most of the limonene out and its really sticky and gungy and looks like it would take a while to dry, not sure wether to put it in the oven on a low heat, would this maybe ruin the cactus ? swims not sure, plus limonene is flammable and it does still smell orangey. Swims hoping hes not just wasted 100g of cactus, he thinks he probably will just go with drying it out naturally then adding water and more lime and starting again. :roll:
kemist
John
What a cock upInfinite I said:
Yeah,.. as that bloke before wrote.
Easiest way is just filter out all solids , save that limonene filtrat and use it for extraction after freebasing.
Problem is with the solids, swim filtered out . They will be coated with limonene what would prevent water to access
calc+cact mixture
ILPT would sugges filter it using vacuum, if one doesn`t have just filtered it trough filter paper then fold the top of paper to prevent solids geting out and squeezed it with hand in plenty of kitchen towells. The idea is to get as much limonene out as possible.
Then maybe tine little wash of this solids with clean anhydrous acetone would be best. Not sure weather the actives are soluble in acetone when not yet freebased but doesn`t think so.
Yeah, without water swim cannot basify because to create OH- ion from calcium hydroxide you need water in which calc ionize.grrr31 said:
Is not very clear wheater you add water or not. So what is in that pea soupy liquid ?
Infinite I
JC
Thanks for that kemist, swim got most of the limonene out and his friend, its at his house, is going to try squeeze more limonene out of it with a coffee press today, then try kitchen roll then maybe wash with acetone. Cheers
kemist
John
Can`t wait guys for ILPT`s next go with lovely cact.Limonene is just lovely. It`s so exciting as it seemed he has low tolerance to phenethylamines although high to 5MeO, LSA and other trypts. With good results he can finally trip economicaly 
He would like to increase yield somehow as 2% doesn`t make him happy
THERE IS A BIG THANKS to Coatl to inspire 69Ron and to him for trying D-limonene Thank you guys
He would like to increase yield somehow as 2% doesn`t make him happyTHERE IS A BIG THANKS to Coatl to inspire 69Ron and to him for trying D-limonene Thank you guys
Thanks Kemist and Infinite I, yes my friend feels like an idiot, but I guess we all screw up. The previous efforts, done corretly, were very effective. My friend is a little nervous about the acetone wash, since there is probably SOME basification going on with the additon of the water after thefact, but one supposes there is a trade off either way, as Kemist pointed out, the limonene having coating the powders. Perhaps my friend will acetone wash 1/2, and just press and dry the other half, and see how they both go.
OK, my friend has coffee pressed the mess, and is drying the limonene soaked cactus powder in pyrexes.
The limonene, even after filtering, is a very dark green, though no longer cloudy. is the darkening agent likely good stuff, or just some kind of plant matter? In the past, after proper basificcation with CAOH and water, the limonene filtered out as a clear, lime green fluid, not nearly as dark. Kemist, you think trying to filtr, rebassify with, say 12.5 grams CAOH (since the original 25 grams of CAOH is presumably still around somewhere), adding water, and thenstart process as if nothing had happened is best, or better to evap the limonene, dry the cactus powder, mix it all together, and consume as a powder in a non extraction manner (a traditional boil down method perhaps, vomiting be damned?)?
The limonene, even after filtering, is a very dark green, though no longer cloudy. is the darkening agent likely good stuff, or just some kind of plant matter? In the past, after proper basificcation with CAOH and water, the limonene filtered out as a clear, lime green fluid, not nearly as dark. Kemist, you think trying to filtr, rebassify with, say 12.5 grams CAOH (since the original 25 grams of CAOH is presumably still around somewhere), adding water, and thenstart process as if nothing had happened is best, or better to evap the limonene, dry the cactus powder, mix it all together, and consume as a powder in a non extraction manner (a traditional boil down method perhaps, vomiting be damned?)?
