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Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil)

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Madcapv2 said:
Kemist posted once that he put anyhydrous epson salts into the mix and that helped.... I will try that after my final limonene soak on this batch.
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It`s a big problem to retrieve all limo from mixture. Adding a bit of epsom will help retrieve some more limo, but don`t add too much as it will be contraproductive. In other words the volume of mixture will rise and limo will remain soak within and one could squeze it out only by using hydraulic press or something.

Touche Guevara said:
I wonder if, on the last pull, water could be added to twice the volume of the cactus and allowed to sit until the limonene rose to the top.
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LOL. ILPT has exactly the same idea but he was thinking a bit more deeply about it.
According to 69ron`s SWIM mescaline freebase is fairly soluble in water. Seems like adding high volume of water will force some mescaline to migrate into this water therefore not much of it would stay in limo.
But he can be wrong.
 
soulman said:
OK So SWIM has ordered some MEK so he can purify his mesc acetate as per the additional step so kindly provided by 69ron (Thanks brother)

My question is this. Alot of you guys seem to talk of this hard to handle goo, but SWIM had never had any trouble with this. He places the evapourating dish in the over (no heat just with the fan on) so it never gooey and always quite easy to handle (see page 30)
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Whether you get goo or actual crystals mostly depends on the cactus used. SWIM often gets very clear long white crystals (like in the photo in the first post) from Torch surrounded by a tiny bit of yellow or brown sticky wax, and usually mostly goo from Achuma or Pedro, but not always. His “goo” dries to a sticky yellow or brown wax texture in his food dehydrator that which can be scraped up and put into capsules, but it’s a little sticky and cannot be made into a powder, but can be made into waxy flakes.

SWIM prefers pure mescaline acetate, not just because it’s a powder, but because the experience is better than the impure stuff.

soulman said:
Does this purification technique only work with goo, or will it also work with the solid stuff.
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Again, SWIM’s goo dries to a sticky solid after a while. So YES it works for both.

From Torch, SWIM can sometimes get a powder, but it’s usually yellow or brown because there’s always some impurities present. But after the MEK washes, he gets a near white powder, with much better effects.

soulman said:
Also...69ron, you talk of cold MEK. Do you mean cold as in room temp or cold as in refridgerated?

Sorry, i have already posted this question on the "will mesc acetate powderise" thread, but SWIMs MEK arrived today and he wanted to get cracking : )
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The MEK should be refrigerated. You will lose mescaline acetate to the wash if the MEK is warm. Even at room temperature there is a tiny bit of loss, but not much. It’s better to use cold MEK. If you’re unsure, you can always put the MEK wash in the freezer after use, and if there’s any mescaline acetate present in the MEK it will precipitate out of the MEK while in the freezer overnight.

In fact, I think you can probably boil the MEK and the mescaline acetate will dissolve in it, and then you can freeze precipitate it and mescaline acetate crystals should fall out of the MEK in the freezer. SWIM has not tried it though, it’s just an idea, but one that is very likely to work.
 
Has anyone done a melting point analysis of the crystals one obtains after doing a MEK cleanup?

After reading this thread I am especially curious about objective measures of the purity of mescaline salts obtained using this tek.
 
w0mbat said:
Has anyone done a melting point analysis of the crystals one obtains after doing a MEK cleanup?
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I don't think so.

My guess is that the result after the MEK wash is about 98% pure mescaline acetate. There are a few people here who can verify that I'm sure.

w0mbat said:
After reading this thread I am especially curious as to whether truly pure mescaline can be isolated using this tek.
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DMPEA is a tad less polar than mescaline so a MEK wash would either remove it completely or reduce it. Either way, a wash is a good idea.

The crystals that remain have a single formation when recrystallized in water, so it looks like a single alkaloid to SWIM.
 
BTW ron, do you know of any souces of USP or food-grade MEK? Or is distillation the only option for those who want the safest possible solvents?
 
Yes, there are sources. Buying FCC or USP grade MEK can be a little risky. Distillation of technical grade is the least risky. Technical grade can be purchased at most hardware stores.

I’m hoping SWIM will find an alternative to using MEK. I see MEK as only a stepping stone to a better method. SWIM uses distilled technical grade MEK (which the manufacturer states is 99.99% MEK). USP grade or FCC grade is always better if you can get it without raising suspicion.

A purchase of d-limonene in food grade form is not at all risky. It has many household uses. 99% isopropyl alcohol in USP grade form is readily available to most at the local store. Isopropyl alcohol sold for use on cuts by law cannot contain anything that is not USP grade. So it’s much better than using technical grade MEK.

I’m thinking a healthier less risky to purchase wash would be a mix of ethanol or isopropyl alcohol and d-limonene at the right ratio. I know that either of the two mixed in d-limonene can approximate the polarity of MEK if mixed just right, but I don’t know the ratio to use.

99% isopropyl alcohol is used to clean mescaline HCl, but not mescaline acetate. It’s too polar to clean mescaline acetate. Its polarity needs to be dropped just a little bit. By adding a little d-limonene, the polarity will drop. It’s just a matter of adding enough d-limonene to dissolve the less polar non-mescaline alkaloids, but not enough to dissolve the more polar mescaline.

SWIM will look into this more. The MEK solution is fine for some people, but I know there is a better solution out there. It’s just a matter of time before it’s found.
 
SWIM finally got dose-worthy results and is feeling them presently :D

He got a nice workable lump about the size of a pea, amber in color. almost exactly like tootsie roll but more red.

He got 327mg of total alkaloids which he guesses is anywhere from 100-200mg of mescaline.

He is currently feeling the dose T=+1:15

it is stronger in stimulation than 20g of Achuma (Bridgesii) and 30g of Pedro he has taken in the past

the mind effects feel still to be coming up but are currently somewhere a little less than the two, but very active and 100% not placebo.

Mild tracers, like 30-40% longer than sober, no other visuals closed or open, but a general mind slowing/stoning. YET!

edit:
Trip is only slightly less intense than the previously stated trips.
Tracers, color shifts, noticable shift in headspace, slight body high, relaxed euphoria, steady nausea :|

SWIM's trip on 327mg full alkaloid extraction = SWIM guesses 25g of Pedro Brew Goo



The reason SWIM felt the need to bore you with the details is:

He evaporated the vinegar in under an hour in his oven, door open at 200 F

Although he watched it carefully and took it out within a minute or two of the liquid being gone.
He is pretty sure that the outside lines on the baking tray got a good 20-30 minutes in the 200 F and SWIM assures you they feel active.

SWIM also wants to note that having only 10-35mg of mescaline in previous pulls he has been salting the vinegar for easier scraping.

IE: he adds precisely 100mg of rock salt to it so when he very easily scrapes up 137mg of flakes
instead of working hard to scrape up 37mg of goo he just uses his excellent math skills ;) and has 37mg of mescaline+alkaloids + 100mg of salt.

He did the same with the 327mg pull, it was actually 427mg :D

Pardon the rambling SWIM assumes he just did, SWIM's trippin'
 
69ron, a few more questions on washing mescaline, if I may:

1) Would a wash with 99% isopropyl alcohol also be effective at removing DMPEA from mescaline HCl?

2) Are there any good sources of food-grade HCl? A quick search only turned up what seemed like risky suppliers. If not, is the stuff they have in hardware stores generally OK?

3) If one were willing to experiment with ratios of Isopropyl alcohol : d-Limonene, what ratios would you recommend experimenting with first? Would it be possible to gauge the efficacy of the experiments without also running a "control" with MEK?

The reason I ask all this is b/c my friend who refuses to use the internet is interested in making mescaline of the highest purity possible, and would prefer not to have to use MEK if possible (although he can if necessary).
 
w0mbat said:
69ron, a few more questions on washing mescaline, if I may:

1) Would a wash with 99% isopropyl alcohol also be effective at removing DMPEA from mescaline HCl?

2) Are there any good sources of food-grade HCl? A quick search only turned up what seemed like risky suppliers. If not, is the stuff they have in hardware stores generally OK?

3) If one were willing to experiment with ratios of Isopropyl alcohol : d-Limonene, what ratios would you recommend experimenting with first? Would it be possible to gauge the efficacy of the experiments without also running a "control" with MEK?

The reason I ask all this is b/c my friend who refuses to use the internet is interested in making mescaline of the highest purity possible, and would prefer not to have to use MEK if possible (although he can if necessary).
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1) DMPEA is less polar than mescaline, but not by a lot. So you want to use the most polar washing solvent you can use. IPA fits that well enough for mescaline HCl (or MEK for mescaline acetate). It's very likely that the DMPEA is washed away by the IPA. SWIM cannot see any crystal structures other than those of mescaline HCl after such a wash, but maybe DMPEA looks like mescaline does? Until someone can analyze it properly, we won't know for sure.

2) SWIM cannot find food grade HCl anywhere that's easy to purchase. The stuff at the hardware store that is sold for pools is fairly clean, but not food grade. HCl is VERY STRONG. SWIM does not like using it. He prefers vinegar or citric acid.

3) I don't know. The best thing is to perform 3 washes with 3 different ratios on 3 different portions of mescaline from the same batch and see which wash is best. That will give you a starting point. For example, you have 300 mg of dirty mescaline; you divide this into 3 portions of 100 mg each. You wash one portion with 1:3 of IPA:D-Limonene, another portion with 1:1 of IPA:D-Limonene, and the final portion with 3:1 of IPA:D-Limonene. The majority of the impurities are very sticky and colored brown or amber, so a good wash should pick up color, and leave behind non-sticky mescaline. Mescaline acetate is white and very slightly waxy, but not at all sticky. It looks like freebase DMT, with almost the exact same texture, but less waxy. After performing the wash with the three different solvent mixes on three different portions of your mescaline, you want to find which of the three removed the most color, but left behind the most non-sticky solids. If the washed material is sticky, then that solvent mix is not polar enough. If the washed material isn't sticky but seems like it shrunk too much, then the solvent mix is too polar.
 
greetings all:wink:

I trust you are all well.

been a while since my last post:oops:

anyway I have followed this tek and am now at the evap stage. at the moment i am just evaping under room temp and fan, i know this may be a time consumming method but id rather this than mess around with ovens fans and stuff. will this method be sufficient guys??

materials used were 60g dried san pedro so I pretty much just used a little over half the required amounts of calchydrox,water, limeone and vinegar.

Im very excited about the possibility of ending up with some mesc acetate.

anyway I shall keep you all informed on how things turn out and more importantly the bioassaying of the end product.

im looking to take around 350mg. this will be my 1st mesc experience

finally a grand and sincere thanks to 69ron for a super efficient tek.:d you certainly are one of the greats of our times my good man!
 
If it's your first time, you might want to take closer to 200mg depending on how much you get. Then if you decide you like it, there's enough left to share with friends :D

And the air drying method is fine. When the extract starts getting mighty gooey, it might be helpful to add some acetone (NOT denatured) and stir it around to speed things up and push the water out of the extract.
 
:d :d thanks for your reply and sound advice good sir!

your bang on about the dose though, I was aqainting the old " in for a penny " attitude, when I know deep down it is far more usefull and beneficial to become accustomed and comfortable with a new psychoactive at lower doses 1st.

you dont just jump into bed with mescaline, you take it out for dinner, wine and dine it, give it an oil massage and then ever so politley ask for a breakthrough lol:d
 
My friend purchased some hydrochloric acid solution. The place he got it from had a few different strengths... measured in Moles. He spoke to them on the phone and asked what the closest to 10% solution was. They said the 2M solution is about 7%. This is the one he bought in the end. So he is wondering if anyone with chemistry knowledge can back this up?

Thanks
 
My later Vinegar pulls yield a sticky brown goo .

I dissolved about 5g of it in Ethanol with a bit of Water - a cloud of whitish grey precipitates floated in the dark solution which i filtered .

Whats this dark stuff and what do you do with it ?
 
balaganist said:
My friend purchased some hydrochloric acid solution. The place he got it from had a few different strengths... measured in Moles. He spoke to them on the phone and asked what the closest to 10% solution was. They said the 2M solution is about 7%. This is the one he bought in the end. So he is wondering if anyone with chemistry knowledge can back this up?

Thanks
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2M hydrochloric acid is about 7% that`s right. M is stand for molarity(molar concentration)
 
ILPT Have to say that he used only 600ml of limonene to completely extract 250g of peruvian torch flesh without much gunk to be pulled and with overall excellent results (yield like)

Only downside is that his mescaline hydrochloride converted from mescaline acetate made from this tek has slight pinkish tint which is caused by pulling a tad more gunk when reusing limo

Never mind is only little bit of impurity and it doesn`t affect trip at all.
Money saved by reusing the same limo make it worthy. ILPT is not selling it so he doesn`t mind taht his powder has a bit gayish colour, lol
 
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