not smoking to breakthrough?

[gualapa]

I'm nearing my first experience soon but I recently talked to someone who did something I haven't read about for awhile, apparently with lots of people across his town. He said he would smoke dmt but didn't breakthrough often as if he intentionally meant not too- I guess he'd just smoke lower amounts. Does anybody actually do this?

I haven't heard of people smoking dmt as to not breakthrough, but maybe that's because trip reports are only written about breakthroughs. I don't know, I was just shocked to hear because I haven't heard of people doing that, so I wanted to know some people's opinions.

 

[Crazyhorse]

I've done this for sure. One thing I've done a couple of times that I know many others have done as well, is get to where I think I'm ALMOST there, then get either get nervous and back out or just get to feeling too "heavy" to go to the effort of taking that final hit, and you just kind of coast to see where it takes you.

Also, at first I was ignorant about how DMT tolerance works, and would sometimes vape my spice sandwich style under some fine cannabis. But instead of going for the rapid intake, back to back hits I would smoke it more like I smoke weed, just a hit every few minutes, or as needed to maintain a certain level. Like a marathon session rather than a sprint. The main thing I found out through a few sessions like that is that tolerance is weird with this stuff. It builds quickly but doesn't seem to ever really make it stop working, it seems to just put a limit on how far you can go. I would often try for a breakthrough at the end of an hour or so of this, and while it did intensify the experience, I don't think it's possible to break through at that point no matter how hard you try. Or at least that's my personal impression of smoking it this way, without MAOIs.

 

[3rdI]

I smoalk smaller meditative doses, I don't think you need to dissolve reality to do good work with the molecule.

I did some work recently with some very harmala heavy jimjam changa (2:1:1 harmala/DMT/herb, smoalking 60mg only delivers 15mg of DMT, which is a low dose for me), it allows me to do some good meditative work with the carrier wave that i can't do with DMT heavy doses as the carrier wave tends to break me:surprised

I feel that if I only had deep DMT experiences I would be missing out on a lot of what is on offer. I don't take DMT to get messed up so I feel all doses are valuable, I advise you go sit in the woods and vape small doses to see what I mean, it makes me feel like this

 

[permanomad]

I've done this for sure. One thing I've done a couple of times that I know many others have done as well, is get to where I think I'm ALMOST there, then get either get nervous and back out or just get to feeling too "heavy" to go to the effort of taking that final hit, and you just kind of coast to see where it takes you.

Also, at first I was ignorant about how DMT tolerance works, and would sometimes vape my spice sandwich style under some fine cannabis. But instead of going for the rapid intake, back to back hits I would smoke it more like I smoke weed, just a hit every few minutes, or as needed to maintain a certain level. Like a marathon session rather than a sprint. The main thing I found out through a few sessions like that is that tolerance is weird with this stuff. It builds quickly but doesn't seem to ever really make it stop working, it seems to just put a limit on how far you can go. I would often try for a breakthrough at the end of an hour or so of this, and while it did intensify the experience, I don't think it's possible to break through at that point no matter how hard you try. Or at least that's my personal impression of doing it this way, smoking with vaped spice under another material without MAOIs.

Could be the weed you smoke it with, I've heard it can depotentiate spice trips... kinda like a 'machine elf cock-block'

 

[Crazyhorse]

Could be the weed you smoke it with, I've heard it can depotentiate spice trips... kinda like a 'machine elf cock-block'

Actually I quit smoking weed awhile back and since then I've done this method using DMT enhanced Chacruna on top of the pure spice instead of bud, and it seems to work pretty much the same either way when you space your hits out by about 3-6 minutes. It's just a different experience, the same way a small amount of shrooms is different from a bunch. Personally I like it. It's a really great feeling, like a big warm hug from the universe. Very comforting and benevoloent and gentle, much more so (at least for me) than going balls to the wall.

 

[gualapa]

@Crazyhorse I see. So what kind of effects do you have at lower doses, when you're still in this "reality"?

interesting, thanks for the input so far people, keep em going

I advise you go sit in the woods and vape small doses to see what I mean, it makes me feel like this

that sounds amazing, only thing is I don't really have forests around me and the ones but I know a few places in nature that could be a pleasantly amazing experience. I'll have to try this within the month

 

[3rdI]

that sounds amazing, only thing is I don't really have forests around me and the ones but I know a few places in nature that could be a pleasantly amazing experience. I'll have to try this within the month

You won't be disappointed.

 

[Crazyhorse]

@Crazyhorse I see. So what kind of effects do you have at lower doses, when you're still in this "reality"?

I'd have a really hard time describing it in much more detail than I already have, just like I can't really seem to find the right words to describe my more intense experiences. The closest thing I could compare it to is a low to medium dose of shrooms, where you're not getting much if any visuals and can still think pretty much normally, but are definitely FEELING something profound. Just don't expect to be meeting entities and such and you won't be disapointed. :thumb_up:

For me the best use of the extended smoking style I described seems to be enhancing a stimulating audio-visual experience, like some really cool music videos or your favorite songs synced up to a carefully selected list of visualizations (like winamp/milkdrop) . I also sometimes try to use it as sort of a meditation, focusing my awareness on the music and not letting my mind wander from what I'm seeing/hearing any more than I can help it.

I really like the idea of doing it out in nature as well, but haven't gone out to find just the right spot for that yet. Planning to soon, the weather is perfect for it here right now.

 

[cyb]

A low dose for me felt like someone had inflated my insides with pink cotton candy and plugged me into a 9 volt battery whilst the weight of a cat sat on my chest for 5 minutes....

It's rather tricky to articulate....:surprised

 

[RebornInSmoke]

*facepalming at OP*

 

[Sky Motion]

*facepalming at OP*

why

 

[anrchy]

Actually all but two of my experience reports were not breakthrough reports

 

[gualapa]

For me the best use of the extended smoking style I described seems to be enhancing a stimulating audio-visual experience, like some really cool music videos or your favorite songs synced up to a carefully selected list of visualizations (like winamp/milkdrop) . I also sometimes try to use it as sort of a meditation, focusing my awareness on the music and not letting my mind wander from what I'm seeing/hearing any more than I can help it.

milkdrop's the best! nothing compares. i've done this before too while on shrooms/luce, focusing on the music always provides just an awesome experience

A low dose for me felt like someone had inflated my insides with pink cotton candy and plugged me into a 9 volt battery whilst the weight of a cat sat on my chest for 5 minutes....
It's rather tricky to articulate....:surprised

aha! i know exactly what you mean. great description for the ineffable :thumb_up:

*facepalming at OP*

:? well I think it's a valid question considering I'm a newbie; that's why I'm still a new member and haven't partaken in the dmt experience just yet.

Also, I wouldn't have posted this thread if this information wasn't already available on the forums thru searching... as I said before it's not like people are writing trip reports about not breaking thru haha... so I obviously don't have any knowledge on what's it like to smoke dmt but not for the purposes of breaking through to the other side.

all good tho, we all have our opinions and i respect your facepalm