Odd Ayahuasca Experience.

[PH0Man]

Hi all,

I can finally say I've experienced ayahuasca, but it wasn't at all what I expected. 9.1g of finally ground Syrian Rue, and, 40 minutes later, the brew made from roughly 7g of Acacia confusa.

The experience was devoid of anything even remotely spiritual, and I didn't "leave" my body. There were no open-eyed visuals, but anything I could imagine seemed much more real (with eyes closed). I don't feel changed at all.

This all seems rather unlike what others have reported experiencing, and I was wondering if it's perhaps the quality of materials or preparation that's the cause.

Thanks for any input

 

[The Hermit]

Really strange man - those are both quite firm doses, one might even say far too much for a first time.

Would you care to describe your brewing method and your administration procedure?

 

[PH0Man]

Really strange man - those are both quite firm doses, one might even say far too much for a first time.

Would you care to describe your brewing method and your administration procedure?

I did six extractions with 250ml (using the coffee maker below) of tap water on 30g, repeated this once more, and then reduced the total down to about 1L. I used roughly 110ml of this.

As for administration, I ate the syrian rue, washed it down with water, waited 40/50min and then drank the acacia brew (110ml).

 

[pitubo]

Maybe the time in between is too much? With traditional amazon ayahuasca both components are taken at the same time.

You could next time try making a rue brew and inbibing it together with the acacia brew. If you do this, don't increase the amounts over what you had last time, in fact decrease the dose initially. Then after 60 minutes take another dose and if necessary, repeat after another 60 minutes.

You may need to experiment a bit to find your sweet spot, this is better done by starting with low doses and building up than by starting too high and not being able to scale down.

 

[The Hermit]

I have zero experience with using a coffee maker, and I've never worked with acacia, but making a mimosa brew is one of the simplest procedures I've ever done. It does help to know alkaloid content for dosing purposes (in a perfect world).

Did you acidify the brew at all? Also a saucepan would be easier.

And to echo abode , brewing your rue as well will help. After 40 mins you should have been feeling the rue quite nicely.

 

[aj4722]

I've been attempting Ac brews for the last few days now and I noticed that the Syrian rue seems to only work properly for me when brewed. I am not sure why but whenever I just injest the seeds I only get light effects or none at all. Also I find that 5g of Syrian rue is plenty brewed for 15-20 mins. I also add small amounts(half to a whole capfull)of vinegar to my Syrian rue and Ac as it is brewing. I have found a good recipe that works well for me. 20g's of ac, four pulls at 45 mins for each. that I then reduce down to 400ml. 100ml gives me very good visuals but still very smooth and pleasant trip feeling. 150ml gives me I guess what is called a breakthrough dose or at least very close to it. All I can say is just keep experimenting it took me brewing 3 batches and just testing different tactics before I stumbled upon the right one for me. Also ive noticed exactly 15 mins after consuming the rue the Ac should be drank. at least this is what works best for me.

 

[jamie]

Lucky you...many people would probly pee themselves on that dose.

That's a lot of rue for a first time.

I am serious...be thankful that you got what you did. I suspect that your rue might have been weak, or your brewing method is inefficient. Either way, you dodged a bullet.

I would suggest you try brewing in a traditional manner, and start with no more than 3-4g rue. Even 2 grams is enough for many people to activate the DMT, so there is no need to go above 4 for a first time.

At 9 grams of rue alone, without any DMT, you should be glued to the bed dreaming.

 

[BundleflowerPower]

Lucky you...many people would probly pee themselves on that dose.

That's a lot of rue for a first time.

I am serious...be thankful that you got what you did. I suspect that your rue might have been weak, or your brewing method is inefficient. Either way, you dodged a bullet.

I would suggest you try brewing in a traditional manner, and start with no more than 3-4g rue. Even 2 grams is enough for many people to activate the DMT, so there is no need to go above 4 for a first time.

At 9 grams of rue alone, without any DMT, you should be glued to the bed dreaming.

I agree, you def dodged the bullet. The first time I tried 7 g of acacia confusa was with 3 g of crushed rue parachuted. I was stuck to the bed paralyzed, having my brain massaged by a geometric octopi.
Having said that, for whatever reason, sometimes the brew just doesn't work. I've had this happen a few times using my normal brewing tek with a normal dose.

 

[PH0Man]

Lucky you...many people would probly pee themselves on that dose.

That's a lot of rue for a first time.

I am serious...be thankful that you got what you did. I suspect that your rue might have been weak, or your brewing method is inefficient. Either way, you dodged a bullet.

I would suggest you try brewing in a traditional manner, and start with no more than 3-4g rue. Even 2 grams is enough for many people to activate the DMT, so there is no need to go above 4 for a first time.

At 9 grams of rue alone, without any DMT, you should be glued to the bed dreaming.

The Rue did cause a dreamlike state, but not the visions or spiritual effects associated with DMT. Is it possible that the Acacia is of a really bad quality? I did a few naphtha pulls on it, and what I got (after leaving the pulled naphtha in -10C for four days) wasn't even enough to weigh.

 

[pitubo]

You may need to cook the acacia bark for a longer time, I doubt if a coffee percolator is up to the job. Unlike roasted and ground coffee beans, acacia bark does not always give up its alkaloids easily. You may even need to freeze and thaw it or microwave it before cooking to get better results.

As I stated before, the time between ingesting harmalas and acacia brew may also have been too long.

 

[PH0Man]

You may need to cook the acacia bark for a longer time, I doubt if a coffee percolator is up to the job. Unlike roasted and ground coffee beans, acacia bark does not always give up its alkaloids easily. You may even need to freeze and thaw it or microwave it before cooking to get better results.

As I stated before, the time between ingesting harmalas and acacia brew may also have been too long.

You were right: I boiled the bark on a stove and the brew produced gave me an incredible, intense, beautiful and terrifying experience: I'll use less off it next time. Thanks for the advice!