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[doodlekid]

It started around 15 or 16 and maybe coincided with smoking pot and maybe not.

Since I have no idea what it is and they're moving please take my description of it. Hopefully there's someone else who has this. It would seem strange if I were the only one with it and don't believe this to be the case.

From the corner of vision on either side, or both simultaneously a ripple comes in sight that moves along the edges of the visual field and seldomnly crosses directly over it (but does so every now and then). Sometimes it's followed by multiple ripples and they can move in a direction and turn round the edges multiple times. One rare occassions multiple ripples move from different directions and when they meet they either cancel each out or a new ripple forms in a different direction.

Last few years I noticed a sort of development in that I'm also seeing a sort of sprites which are quite amazing but I don't see them very often and they are very elusive at the edge of vision. Atmospheric (red) sprites have a remarkable resemblance:

They are best viewed with eyes closed in dark, but are visible over daytime vision. Though they do not interfere and do not seem to be originating in the eyes themselves, yet I cannot tell for sure where they come from. Also they do not seem to be induced by any particular state of mind, emotion or drug but are more active present when excited or on psychedelics. But since it's occuring daily I don't think it's caused by taking psychedelics.

It's like they're made of green/yellow electric stuff and they're thick with it, like it's a sort of substance but with a clear holograpic quality to it. I would like to say it's similar to the stuff that composes DMT visions, if there's a way to call this stuff. Yet I've never seen entities or images, just lines and sprites...

Since I've got no diagnosed condition whatsoever and have never noticed any negative side effects I can't say anything more than this and that I'm finally getting very curious into what this really is.

 

[universecannon]

The first description sounds like you might be talking about eye floaters

The second descriptions sounds interesting but I haven't experienced that afaik. My sober hallucinations and visions are usually most similar to a mix of tryptamines/harmalas

 

[Cazman043]

I used to experience something along these lines when i took a lot of LSD in a short period of time, for the next 4 months, i'd go to bed, and i'd see these dark figures illuminated by white light walking in and out of my brain, it was quite interesting! (this could be the pineal gland opening and so you become more sensitive to the realities around you which are not normally available to everyday consciousness) I think the main thing is don't freak out about it and label yourself as something. If you want, you could see alternate practices which use clairvoyance as a mean for healing and understanding, this could be a gift you have, you might be able to see in the spirit realms. Again, look into symptoms of third eye opening/pineal gland cleansing, it wouldn't surprise me if its to do with that. (or you can classify yourself as a schizophrenic and go down that path,i'd rather use this to my advantage, but its all perception)

 

[Gone-and-Back]

I used to experience something along these lines when i took a lot of LSD in a short period of time, for the next 4 months, i'd go to bed, and i'd see these dark figures illuminated by white light walking in and out of my brain, it was quite interesting! (this could be the pineal gland opening and so you become more sensitive to the realities around you which are not normally available to everyday consciousness) I think the main thing is don't freak out about it and label yourself as something. If you want, you could see alternate practices which use clairvoyance as a mean for healing and understanding, this could be a gift you have, you might be able to see in the spirit realms. Again, look into symptoms of third eye opening/pineal gland cleansing, it wouldn't surprise me if its to do with that. (or you can classify yourself as a schizophrenic and go down that path,i'd rather use this to my advantage, but its all perception)

This is something that definitely resonates with me, and I think you should look into. Before labeling it as some type of eye problem, or a deeper lying issue with mental states or brain functioning/wiring, I think it would be a good idea to start studying different practices that involve reaching out into the spirit world or other realms around us and taping into those realms for healing or other purposes. This is if you believe in that stuff though, I know its not for everyone.

I personally think you could have a higher connection to these places then most people. Whenever these connections are there, it is usually realized and easiest to tap into when at a younger age, and you mentioned it started in your mid teens. Just something to think about...

Whatever it is, it definitely seems like more then just eye floaters. I think that is just an excuse for something that is not yet understood, especially if it is happening almost constantly. Eye floaters are not constantly there like that, and they usually are little dots or blobs that float around in your vision. This does not seem like what you are describing.

I have experienced this kind of phenomenon a few times. It use to happen more when I was younger, but eventually went away as I got closer and closer to being an adult. Back then I did not study or believe in any kind of alternate realities or realms of existence, but now that I have started my research into psychedelics and the realms that they can open up to us, I have found that this phenomenon has become much more frequent. Even after abstaining from use for quite a while. For me anyways, I have noticed that if it starts acting up, and I take even a very small dose of something and meditate with healing or other positive intentions in mind, the experience is much more profound and powerful then it would be normally. Its almost like its a calling to come back to those states because there is something to be taught or shown to me that is of importance.

I'm sure other people probably think this is pure nonsense, but to each their own. Just take a night to give in to it and focus and meditate on it, see what comes about from it.

 

[livinglife]

I can totally relate to this, check this out my cev before sleeping - Open Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

And the stuff you see in your vision, the small blue dots moving around, i see them as well, it's very fascinating. some sort of energy i think, looks like they are playing and having fun with each other, and they have this trail when they are moving.

I saw them 2 weeks ago laying in my hammock outside, and 1 week before that when flying with a airplane.

how often do you see them?

 

[Gone-and-Back]

There is no real noticeable pattern for when I see stuff like this. It just randomly pops up and I get this weird sensation in my body, almost like I am about to leave my body. I have never passed out from it, nor have I been able to sit down and try to meditate and see where this state will bring me.

It usually happens whenever I am out and about, it has even happened at work a few times. It actually happened earlier this week, as I was coming back from lunch at the time. I really wanted to say screw it, lay down in the grass under a nice shady tree, and meditate, hoping that I could reach some new place of existence or learn something about the phenomenon. However, I had no time left on my break and had to try to ignore it and head back inside.

Once inside with all the buzzing of the fluorescent lights and the loud machines, it almost instantly went away and the strange floating/buzzing feeling in my body instantly left. It usually isn't this drastic of a shift, so it was kind of off setting, but I just shrugged it off and went back to work.

I am hoping one of these days it will happen during a time that I can try to explore the experience and see what I can make of it.

 

[doodlekid]

I can totally relate to this, check this out my cev before sleeping - Open Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

And the stuff you see in your vision, the small blue dots moving around, i see them as well, it's very fascinating. some sort of energy i think, looks like they are playing and having fun with each other, and they have this trail when they are moving.

I saw them 2 weeks ago laying in my hammock outside, and 1 week before that when flying with a airplane.

how often do you see them?

Daily and I have seen them today already when waking up. Yesterday I noticed a few of these trails later on the evening and also saw a sprite like appearance on the edge of vision.

But I see trails most of the times. They're bend like waves and change shape a bit as they go. And they play around, sometimes live for a while before dissolving.

Blue lights I see as well. Sometimes a light pops up and goed again. Maybe you mean these?

The first description sounds like you might be talking about eye floaters

Yes that was the first reaction I'd expect. I see floaters as well and so can see the difference. So they're not floaters I am very sure of this.

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I don't have ever seen it as a problem and for that reason kept silent about it. It's also so common that I do not react to it any other than watch it when I have the time or just ignore it and go on with things.

If there is any place that I would like to 'come out of the closet' on my visual experiences this would be it.

The way of going into this would be that of unbiased observation and trying to carefully put it to words. Maybe it's possible to determine certain things by excluding possibilites. Like I can exclude floaters cause I see them as well and know the difference.

So the possibilites I have now are:

- pineal gland activation
- a form of synesthesia
- brain tumor
- genetic condition

Well I can definitaly exclude brain tumor cause I am having this over 16 years now and if that would be case that would have become clear now.

Now pineal gland activation is tricky cause there's not much known about these matters.

Synesthesia would be a good possibilty if not also a bit tricky to determine.

Genetic condition is possible but could underlie both pineal gland and synesthesia.

So... further data needed I suppose.