OEVs for blind people?

[JohnIce2]

Just curious, If someone was blind (due to eye damage, not brain damage) and took a highly hallucinogenic chemical (such as DMT or other forms of tryptamine in a decent dose) would they just see what we see as CEVs? or would their other senses, such as hearing and smelling give them some perception as to what their surrounding environment is like and off of that could their brain then project them a image of said environment based on these external stimuli to the senses?

 

[anne halonium]

good question.

i always wondered about this type of thing and other sense disabilities and the trip.

i live a rather dangerous existence.
i wear safety glasses and work, and stand behind ballistic glass often.
weapons and biohazards are common at the club.

ive considered how i would operate if disabled.
both for lab work and for buzz work, alone or in combo.

 

[Noisy]

What a strange thing... I was asking it myself yesterday evening!
I found this first hand report with LSD: IAmA Blind person (from birth) who has used Psychedelics (Entheogens) - Ask Me Anythi

Concerning scientific papers, nothing really up to date:

The effects of hallucinogens on blind monkeys.
Siegel RK, Brewster JM, Johnson CA, Jarvik ME.
Int Pharmacopsychiatry. 1976;11(3):150-6.

Effects of a Hallucinogenic Agent in Totally Blind Subjects
ALEX E. KRILL, M.D.; HUBERT J. ALPERT, A.B.; ADRIAN M. OSTFELD, M.D.
Arch Ophthalmol. 1963;69(2):180-185. doi:10.1001/archopht.1963.00960040186009.

I found nothing concerning DMT or Ayahuasca and blind people but would be very interested to read someone about this subject, given the rich visual experience induced by DMT.

 

[tedmintes]

People who are blind or deaf can still experience those sensations in the mind's eye according to what I have been told by a handicapped friend. He told me he did make mental images of the rooms he was in. My guess is that he would experience normal CEVs.

 

[JohnIce2]

Very interesting responses guys!! haha I was wondering this cause it would be amazing to have to go through something as horrible as being blind most of your life, and then to be able to see on a psychedelic. I feel like that would give the blind another since of importance for psychedelics.
Blind 8) Trippers

 

[Emptiness]

it would be amazing to have to go through something as horrible as being blind most of your life, and then to be able to see on a psychedelic. I feel like that would give the blind another sense of importance for psychedelics.

Yeah, or do the opposite and cripple them more in resentment for their handicapped circumstance. Perhaps you might have noticed but people do have a tendency for optimism with these things. They may justify their optimism by saying that it is grounded by there being no adverse effects reported, but the problem with that statement is that largely there have not been any adverse effects measured.

For instance, more than 80% of all psychological treatments do not actively measure adverse effects, meaning they wait for people to report them and majority of people only report their negative effects to their doctor if they even go to the doctor at all and do not bother to report to organizations about their adverse effects so no study is measured. From this comes an assumption bias that the the practices are good and viola, the practise is pushed...

I think I see the same theme running with psychedelics like DMT only to a lesser extent due to people posting their negative trip reports, but the amount of people I have spoken to that have had a bad trip and not bothered to post it on the internet is a substantial amount. This being akin to adverse effects being measured over being reported.

 

[JohnIce2]

I think I get the gist of what you are sayin. I can deffinetly see how and why people wouldnt post the negatives that went with their trips. I just though of it like this: If I was blind and heard of something that could make me see, even only temporarily, I would be up for it. haha

 

[Ulim]

Just curious, If someone was blind (due to eye damage, not brain damage) and took a highly hallucinogenic chemical (such as DMT or other forms of tryptamine in a decent dose) would they just see what we see as CEVs? or would their other senses, such as hearing and smelling give them some perception as to what their surrounding environment is like and off of that could their brain then project them a image of said environment based on these external stimuli to the senses?

My best friend is colorblind, the kind of colorblindness that makes you unable to see the difference between green and red and in the LSA trips i had with him he says the trips dont really change how he views colors(exept of the expected effects).
Well his colorblindness is caused by a missing cone cell in his eye so ofc drugs cant change his color perception.
People that are color blind because of a nerve/brain defect could maybe get colored visuals from dmt/lsd/shrooms.
Whats more importan though is the question if the person could see and then went blind or if the person was blind since birth.
Because if a person with a brain that has everything a seeing person also has you would get visuals for sure.