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Evaporation only seems to cause oxidization in warm, humid climates, especially when a fan is used. When I have slow evapped heptane in the winter I yielded a nice white spice.
The oils aren't harmful. Some people like them. It all depends on what you like and what you are going for.
The oils aren't harmful. Some people like them. It all depends on what you like and what you are going for.
Hello all i have run into a problem with the crystallization process and yields of my 2nd and 3rd extractions and i cant figurte out what i am doing wrong that is different from the first extraction. the first go around i had naphtha from lowes whereas i got it from sherwin william for the next two ( VM&P NAPHTHA) using mrs.wages lime and white vinegar with 5% acidity.
First of all i am using q2's lime tek a/b in a crock pot set on low heat steps go as following:
add 200g of MHRB, add and mix 200ml vinegar, add and mix 200ml hot water, let sit for 40-60 mins, add and mix 150g lime, stir for 10 mins, add 200 ml naptha, stir then let sit for 10 mins, pour off naphtha into pyrex baking dish then straight to the freezer for about 24 hours.
the first go i got crystals lining the bottom and sides of the dish and the second time after 24 hours it just looked like small spots of water was in it and a slimey film on the bottom and after evaporating the naphtha it was a goopy goo that when smoked would blast you off but wasnt near as much or near as strong also made your mouth go numb whereas the first batch did that as well slightly. idk im thinking maybe that condensation might have gotten water into the naphtha but i cant be sure and would like a more experienced opinion or advice on the tek
any help would be appreciated!!
edit** i did the CD test with the naphtha and noticed it left a small amount of residue. this is with the sherwin williams VM&P Naphtha. not sure why this would leave water spot or whatever but im just not sure on anything or what i did wrong anyways bleh.
First of all i am using q2's lime tek a/b in a crock pot set on low heat steps go as following:
add 200g of MHRB, add and mix 200ml vinegar, add and mix 200ml hot water, let sit for 40-60 mins, add and mix 150g lime, stir for 10 mins, add 200 ml naptha, stir then let sit for 10 mins, pour off naphtha into pyrex baking dish then straight to the freezer for about 24 hours.
the first go i got crystals lining the bottom and sides of the dish and the second time after 24 hours it just looked like small spots of water was in it and a slimey film on the bottom and after evaporating the naphtha it was a goopy goo that when smoked would blast you off but wasnt near as much or near as strong also made your mouth go numb whereas the first batch did that as well slightly. idk im thinking maybe that condensation might have gotten water into the naphtha but i cant be sure and would like a more experienced opinion or advice on the tek
any help would be appreciated!!edit** i did the CD test with the naphtha and noticed it left a small amount of residue. this is with the sherwin williams VM&P Naphtha. not sure why this would leave water spot or whatever but im just not sure on anything or what i did wrong anyways bleh.
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oh damn it still this CD test, where did you get this information from???? DO NOT DO EVAP TEST ON A CD, whoever invented that didnt know what they were doing. Do an evap test ON CLEAN GLASS! like a pyrex dish or something. Naphtha will dissolve the material of the cd.
So do an evap test on pyrex dish and see if it leaves residue. If it does, get another naphtha that evaps clean and recrystallize your stuff. If it doesnt, just use it to recrystallize your stuff. Instructions for recrystallization are in the FAQ
So do an evap test on pyrex dish and see if it leaves residue. If it does, get another naphtha that evaps clean and recrystallize your stuff. If it doesnt, just use it to recrystallize your stuff. Instructions for recrystallization are in the FAQ
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Hi everyone,
SWIM was running into a problem with the poormans tek. He followed all the instructions except using sodium carbonate instead of sodium bicarbonate. Olive oil was used, and 17g of MHRB (small amount, just to give the method a try).
It all seemed to work out well until the last step, with the evaporation of the IPA. The problem is, that some of the olive oil seems to have been carried over, SWIM didn't use enough caution to remove it completely in the first steps. So now in the petri dish there are clearly crystals - but they _swim_ in olive oil. How can be oil be separated from the spice?
Best would be to use only food grade stuff and IPA to purify this somehow...
Thanks a lot!
SWIM was running into a problem with the poormans tek. He followed all the instructions except using sodium carbonate instead of sodium bicarbonate. Olive oil was used, and 17g of MHRB (small amount, just to give the method a try).
It all seemed to work out well until the last step, with the evaporation of the IPA. The problem is, that some of the olive oil seems to have been carried over, SWIM didn't use enough caution to remove it completely in the first steps. So now in the petri dish there are clearly crystals - but they _swim_ in olive oil. How can be oil be separated from the spice?
Best would be to use only food grade stuff and IPA to purify this somehow...
Thanks a lot!
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Why do you want to avoid the salting? I highly recommend you salt with something, doesnt have to be FASA.. Can be FASW, or even vinegar. Xylene is very nasty as house said
My salting yield NOTHING. I washed the fumarates/soduim carbonate mix residue with acetone and got no spice at all, no residue at all., but it should be my fault. im analyzing and writing down everything from now on, but anyway I wanted to know if it was possible. thanks guys.
If someone is doing Q21s' dry tek and forgets to use boiling water on the salting part but, uses room temperature water instead would it be correct to assume this is now more or less a straight to base situation? In the sense that without using boiling water the bark probably didn't acidify very well and so someone should let the solvent sit on the bark for a good day or so. Perhaps warm it in a hot bath? The solvent is VM&P BTW.
Hello there,
I just want to know if i have to wait between pulls? the tek i'm following is q21's dry tek2 (the white funfest).
If i have to wait how much? and there was two method for pulls, one is adding naphtha to the muddy thing while the crystals forming in the freezer, and the other is wait until the crystalization is finished then reuse that naphtha. Which one is better? How many times i can pull with the same naphtha?
yeah and one more question, the water here has much clorine in it, would it be a good idea to use distilled water??
this tek seems extremely easy. hope it works i remember there was a tek on erowid with pictures and wanted to try it but later i read it was totally incorrect.
thank you very much for the informations and the effort of creating a site where there are loads of useful info and helping people!
yeah and sorry if someone asked these questions but i did not find it.
I just want to know if i have to wait between pulls? the tek i'm following is q21's dry tek2 (the white funfest).
If i have to wait how much? and there was two method for pulls, one is adding naphtha to the muddy thing while the crystals forming in the freezer, and the other is wait until the crystalization is finished then reuse that naphtha. Which one is better? How many times i can pull with the same naphtha?
yeah and one more question, the water here has much clorine in it, would it be a good idea to use distilled water??
this tek seems extremely easy. hope it works
i remember there was a tek on erowid with pictures and wanted to try it but later i read it was totally incorrect.thank you very much for the informations and the effort of creating a site where there are loads of useful info and helping people!
yeah and sorry if someone asked these questions but i did not find it.
elesdenes
with q21's tek you dont have to wait between the pulls i will usually pull about 3 times put it all in one container leave in the freezer for a day or two then repull using the same naphtha been getting very nice results and i recommend distilling the water im sure most others do as well. impurities will make the taste horrible and depending where they are from they can be toxic so take as many precautions as possible to get as clean a spice as you can. i feel like the impurities ground you and its alot harder to blast off with anything other than white on the first hit but changa is a good mix for anything impure. good luck and yes the q21 tek is super easy lol takes me 2 hours from start to finish cookin then about 1-2 days in the freezer i have yet to do any recrystallizations though.
with q21's tek you dont have to wait between the pulls i will usually pull about 3 times put it all in one container leave in the freezer for a day or two then repull using the same naphtha been getting very nice results and i recommend distilling the water im sure most others do as well. impurities will make the taste horrible and depending where they are from they can be toxic so take as many precautions as possible to get as clean a spice as you can. i feel like the impurities ground you and its alot harder to blast off with anything other than white on the first hit but changa is a good mix for anything impure. good luck and yes the q21 tek is super easy lol takes me 2 hours from start to finish cookin then about 1-2 days in the freezer i have yet to do any recrystallizations though.
DDHowdy everyone, I'm new here and joined to ask a specific question. I'll definitely stick around though, this place has a wealth of information.
I performed a DMT extraction quite a while back using QT's DMT extraction as posted on Erowid (Erowid DMT Vaults : Extraction : QT's DMT Extraction Guide). I left the root bark in the muriatic acid solution as long as it said in the tek, one day the first time and then a week the next two times. The final product was a redish powder that I scraped off the bottom of a dish.
More recently, I noticed that there were notes added to the tek saying that letting the root bark sit for that long is unnecessary, and the simple heating of the solution for 15-30 minutes each time is enough. So I performed the extraction again, this time heating the solution for 45 minutes each time instead of leaving it for a day then a week.
This time, the final product consisted of a little bit of redish wax-like substance (IMO due to pulling in more than just the lighter fluid) and some transparent oil which I was able to absorb onto a piece of paper. Upon heating of the paper in a vaporization device, there was little smoke and I felt extremely faint effects. In summation, it was a failure.
Has anybody else had this issue? Is it something that I did wrong, or are the notes on Erowid wrong with regards to the timetable required? Also, I still have the acid solution mixed with base that I extracted from, as well as the root bark itself that was used. Can any of this be salvaged?
It would be surprising to me if it was something else I did wrong since last time it worked perfectly and only the timetable is different. I already messaged Erowid about this, but knowing them, they'll probably just ignore it as they ignored a previous experience report. I also posted on another forum, but I've never received any responses to anything I've ever posted there before either hehehe. Responses are highly appreciated ^_^
I performed a DMT extraction quite a while back using QT's DMT extraction as posted on Erowid (Erowid DMT Vaults : Extraction : QT's DMT Extraction Guide). I left the root bark in the muriatic acid solution as long as it said in the tek, one day the first time and then a week the next two times. The final product was a redish powder that I scraped off the bottom of a dish.
More recently, I noticed that there were notes added to the tek saying that letting the root bark sit for that long is unnecessary, and the simple heating of the solution for 15-30 minutes each time is enough. So I performed the extraction again, this time heating the solution for 45 minutes each time instead of leaving it for a day then a week.
This time, the final product consisted of a little bit of redish wax-like substance (IMO due to pulling in more than just the lighter fluid) and some transparent oil which I was able to absorb onto a piece of paper. Upon heating of the paper in a vaporization device, there was little smoke and I felt extremely faint effects. In summation, it was a failure.
Has anybody else had this issue? Is it something that I did wrong, or are the notes on Erowid wrong with regards to the timetable required? Also, I still have the acid solution mixed with base that I extracted from, as well as the root bark itself that was used. Can any of this be salvaged?
It would be surprising to me if it was something else I did wrong since last time it worked perfectly and only the timetable is different. I already messaged Erowid about this, but knowing them, they'll probably just ignore it as they ignored a previous experience report. I also posted on another forum, but I've never received any responses to anything I've ever posted there before either hehehe. Responses are highly appreciated ^_^
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Can you give a brief summary of what steps you performed?
The tek you linked to probably suggests something like this (I didn't read it all):
Acidify Rootbark (let sit or heat for a while)
Filter
(defat)
base
pull with solvent
freeze precipitate or evap
Did you follow these steps? What kind of solvent did you use? How many pulls did you do and how well did you mix the solvent with the root bark mix? Not sure what you mean with timetable. If you didn't through your bark away and the goodies weren't in the solution you filtered off, then you can still salvage your extraction, but it's best to give a bit more info on what you did in a few brief bullet points maybe.
welcome to the nexus in any case!
The tek you linked to probably suggests something like this (I didn't read it all):
Acidify Rootbark (let sit or heat for a while)
Filter
(defat)
base
pull with solvent
freeze precipitate or evap
Did you follow these steps? What kind of solvent did you use? How many pulls did you do and how well did you mix the solvent with the root bark mix? Not sure what you mean with timetable. If you didn't through your bark away and the goodies weren't in the solution you filtered off, then you can still salvage your extraction, but it's best to give a bit more info on what you did in a few brief bullet points maybe.
welcome to the nexus in any case!
Here's what I did:
1) prepared an acidic solution using muriatic acid (a fraction of a teaspoon in 50ml of water)
2) put the ground root bark into my crock pot and poured the solution over it
3) heated the bark solution for 45 minutes, stirring from time to time
4) filtered out the root bark using two coffee filters at a time and keeping the liquid
5) repeated the above steps 2 more times
6) prepared a basic solution of a fraction of a teaspoon of sodium hydroxide (lye) per 100ml water
7) mixed the basic solution with the acid solution until it turned gray then black
8) added some lighter fluid to the black solution, mixed it, waited, and then pulled the lighter fluid layer on top using a turkey baster
9) repeated step 8 two more times
10) left all the lighter fluid fractions in a glass container to evaporate
What I meant by "timetable" was the amount of time this process takes. In the tek it says to let the root bark and acid solution react for a day the first time before filtering, and then a week the two subsequent times. However the notes on Erowid said that these times were unnecessary and the whole process could be done without the wait.
1) prepared an acidic solution using muriatic acid (a fraction of a teaspoon in 50ml of water)
2) put the ground root bark into my crock pot and poured the solution over it
3) heated the bark solution for 45 minutes, stirring from time to time
4) filtered out the root bark using two coffee filters at a time and keeping the liquid
5) repeated the above steps 2 more times
6) prepared a basic solution of a fraction of a teaspoon of sodium hydroxide (lye) per 100ml water
7) mixed the basic solution with the acid solution until it turned gray then black
8) added some lighter fluid to the black solution, mixed it, waited, and then pulled the lighter fluid layer on top using a turkey baster
9) repeated step 8 two more times
10) left all the lighter fluid fractions in a glass container to evaporate
What I meant by "timetable" was the amount of time this process takes. In the tek it says to let the root bark and acid solution react for a day the first time before filtering, and then a week the two subsequent times. However the notes on Erowid said that these times were unnecessary and the whole process could be done without the wait.
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with heating you are probably right that you do not need to wait days/weeks before filtering. I imagine 3x45 min. should be sufficient for at least some result.
perhaps you had not added enough base with respect to the amount of acid used. which would mean your goodies have not converted to free base and thus are still in solution. if you have a ph meter or strips perhaps you can check this. Though from the sound - turning black - seems to be the right color... How did you mix the lighter fluid?
perhaps you had not added enough base with respect to the amount of acid used. which would mean your goodies have not converted to free base and thus are still in solution. if you have a ph meter or strips perhaps you can check this. Though from the sound - turning black - seems to be the right color... How did you mix the lighter fluid?
I just added the lighter fluid to the bottle containing the black solution, put the cap on the bottle, and then slowly flipped the bottle upside down then upright several times, after which I let it sit until the lighter fluid layer became apparent. This is exactly the same way I did it last time when I let everything react much longer.
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Well you have some options now:
Should your hypothesis be true, and you didn't let things react long enough in the acid stage then the goods are still in the bark.
if you still have the root bark, that you filtered out you could try to do a direct basification and treat it as a STB extraction. i.e. add bark to concentrated lye solution, let react for 2-24 hours, pull with naphtha.
If the acid stage was long and thorough enough then your goods are in the now black solution you have tried to pull from. Two reasons why you might not have gotten any product come to mind: a) your solution is not based enough meaning the dmt is not in freebase form and thus will not be dissolved by the naphtha. b) you did not mix well enough.
Possible solutions to test would be for a) - add more base and try again
for b) add naphtha again and mix more, for example by shaking. (they say not to but IME there is no problem in shaking, at least when I do STBs I always shake. Never have any long lasting emulsions and I get good yields per pull)
The bark you used this time is the same as the one you used last time?
Should your hypothesis be true, and you didn't let things react long enough in the acid stage then the goods are still in the bark.
if you still have the root bark, that you filtered out you could try to do a direct basification and treat it as a STB extraction. i.e. add bark to concentrated lye solution, let react for 2-24 hours, pull with naphtha.
If the acid stage was long and thorough enough then your goods are in the now black solution you have tried to pull from. Two reasons why you might not have gotten any product come to mind: a) your solution is not based enough meaning the dmt is not in freebase form and thus will not be dissolved by the naphtha. b) you did not mix well enough.
Possible solutions to test would be for a) - add more base and try again
for b) add naphtha again and mix more, for example by shaking. (they say not to but IME there is no problem in shaking, at least when I do STBs I always shake. Never have any long lasting emulsions and I get good yields per pull)
The bark you used this time is the same as the one you used last time?
