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I've finished my first extraction using Q21Q21's tek. The DMT in the baking pan is all scraped up but is fairly sticky. It keeps getting stuck to my razor and is fairly hard to get in one place. Is this normal?
Anyway, here is the extraction from the second pull. Can someone tell me about how much this may be?
Anyway, here is the extraction from the second pull. Can someone tell me about how much this may be?
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Looks good, but I would do a few things differently:
- Keep the naphta pulls seperate. This way, you can see how much DMT you pulled. If the last pull yields only a small percentage of the first one, you might not find it worth the effort to do another one.
- Also I would first reduce the volume of your naphta pulls before freeze precip. If you don't you may only get a few crystals at first.
- From experience I definitely recommend against the use of coffee filters. Consider this: your spice is insoluble in naphta at freezer temp., but soluble at room temperature. So if you dont have a buchner funnel and/or big crystals you probably end up dissolving your dmt in the last few drops of naphta left behind on the crystals and lose them in the filter (although you can of course retrieve them afterwards...).
Good luck!
- Keep the naphta pulls seperate. This way, you can see how much DMT you pulled. If the last pull yields only a small percentage of the first one, you might not find it worth the effort to do another one.
- Also I would first reduce the volume of your naphta pulls before freeze precip. If you don't you may only get a few crystals at first.
- From experience I definitely recommend against the use of coffee filters. Consider this: your spice is insoluble in naphta at freezer temp., but soluble at room temperature. So if you dont have a buchner funnel and/or big crystals you probably end up dissolving your dmt in the last few drops of naphta left behind on the crystals and lose them in the filter (although you can of course retrieve them afterwards...).
Good luck!
Something SWIM's a bit confused about....say SWIM wanted to do a sodium carb wash on some spice recovered from Q21q21's tek to remove residual lime. Say SWIM wanted to do the wash while the spice was still in the solvent directly after being pulled. How does one perform this? How does one know how much sodium carb/water to add to the solvent? And how does one recover the solvent after adding sodium carb/water?
Thanks!
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Hope it helps
Evap/Precipitation query.
Not so urgent this time so I am posting in the 'official extractions help thread' (where many dont look).
Earlier this morning, I jarred my naphtha (Bartoline White Spirit) solution and put it straight in the freezer. When I read the tek again however, I noticed that I was meant to evap half of the naptha away frist before putting it in freezer.
It has been in freezer already 4-5 hours, but it is now sitting out in utility room with a fan blowing over it (quite a few white crystals have begun to show themselves).
My question is, am I being an idiot hauling the already very cold jars from out of the freezer in order to evap the white spirit away? Or if not, is it a good idea to evap the naphtha in the sunlight? tis a lovely day here u see (I live in country, no neighbours)
Danke im Voraus!
Not so urgent this time so I am posting in the 'official extractions help thread' (where many dont look).
Earlier this morning, I jarred my naphtha (Bartoline White Spirit) solution and put it straight in the freezer. When I read the tek again however, I noticed that I was meant to evap half of the naptha away frist before putting it in freezer.
It has been in freezer already 4-5 hours, but it is now sitting out in utility room with a fan blowing over it (quite a few white crystals have begun to show themselves).
My question is, am I being an idiot hauling the already very cold jars from out of the freezer in order to evap the white spirit away? Or if not, is it a good idea to evap the naphtha in the sunlight? tis a lovely day here u see (I live in country, no neighbours)
Danke im Voraus!
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No it's fine to still evap after freezing, no problem at all.
As for the sunlight, I can't really tell from experience but most compounds degrade a little when exposed to UV light over time. I've read mixed reports on this but I think it should be fine if it's only a few hundred mL. Watch out for flies though, they seem to love the naphta smell and drown themselves in it.
Gern Gesehen!
As for the sunlight, I can't really tell from experience but most compounds degrade a little when exposed to UV light over time. I've read mixed reports on this but I think it should be fine if it's only a few hundred mL. Watch out for flies though, they seem to love the naphta smell and drown themselves in it.
Gern Gesehen!
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Yes that's great! Although the product probably isn't 100% pure, it's a very nice yield. My product was also small white crystals on the side and yellowish on the bottom. You could try to extract the lye again as there may be some DMT left, but not much probably.
More small pulls is more efficient, but you probably got most of it in the first pull since you used a lot of solvent
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Did you evaporate before you freeze precip'd?
More small pulls is more efficient, but you probably got most of it in the first pull since you used a lot of solvent
.Did you evaporate before you freeze precip'd?
Khrynisx, re-crystallization should/would "increase" the purity of your extract but it's up to you to decide if it's worth it. Mechanical losses might take it's toll but here is what I suggest.
Divide your DMT extract in half, 0.315gD) each. Re-X only one half. Smoalk. Let a few days pass. Smoalk the non Re-x pile. Different ?
Link about the comparative testing protocol:
Divide your DMT extract in half, 0.315g
D) each. Re-X only one half. Smoalk. Let a few days pass. Smoalk the non Re-x pile. Different ? Link about the comparative testing protocol:
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Did you throw anything away? If you did the tek correctly, it doesnt matter if its A/B or STB, you should have very similar yields. Was your bark from a reputed supplier?
What if you evaporate the solvent completely? and retrieve the results?
Can you find msds for your solvent? Maybe it has some aromatics mixed in like xylene, meaning it wont really freeze precipitate.
What if you evaporate the solvent completely? and retrieve the results?
Can you find msds for your solvent? Maybe it has some aromatics mixed in like xylene, meaning it wont really freeze precipitate.
solvent is hexane, technical grade. it did precipitate some, but i got like .1 mg of spice, it surely was because I smoked it and gave a short very pleasent sensation, no hallucinations. i think my basified solution was badly made from the beggining, very thick, but i didnt threw it away. when I completly evap the solvents i get also very little yellow goo, im talking about less than a drop of water. my bark is from a local herbal market ( here in mexico theres a lot of ppl that uses plant medicine on a regular basis). bark wasnt the problem.
Hi guys,
I put my question here rather then starting a new topic because I'm still a rookie.
And rookies make rookie mistakes.
I followed the q21q21 vinegar/lime tek, and made some mistakes during the proces.
Soaked the thoroughly blended mimosa in vinegar/water (Used to much liguid though...). Added the lime. Used THP to pass my solvent(limonene) throught the mixture.
My biggest mistake is use of the wrong solvent (limonene).
Where is my DMT at the moment??
Instead of using pure limonene/ orange oil extracts, I used a 100% ecological cleaner.
I thought it was OK, but now I understand limonene is not the main compound.
I discovered this in the polar wash. I added vinegar to supposedly create 2 seperate layers.
The 2 layers didn't occur. Suspicion of mistake rose.
The solvent I used contained:
* Aqua
* Alcohol
* Capryl glucoside
* Lauryl glucoside
* Candida bombicola/glucose/methyl rapeseedate ferment
* Sodium Citrate
* Lactic acid
* Parfum
* Fatty acids C8-18
* Glyceryl caprylate
* Limonene
Is my DMT in this "wrong" solvent? If so could i get this out?
Is my DMT still in the mimosadough? Will the "correct" limonene solvent still form a seperate layer now?
I hope my post was clear.
Thanks
Wally
I put my question here rather then starting a new topic because I'm still a rookie.
And rookies make rookie mistakes.
I followed the q21q21 vinegar/lime tek, and made some mistakes during the proces.
Soaked the thoroughly blended mimosa in vinegar/water (Used to much liguid though...). Added the lime. Used THP to pass my solvent(limonene) throught the mixture.
My biggest mistake is use of the wrong solvent (limonene).
Where is my DMT at the moment??
Instead of using pure limonene/ orange oil extracts, I used a 100% ecological cleaner.
I thought it was OK, but now I understand limonene is not the main compound.
I discovered this in the polar wash. I added vinegar to supposedly create 2 seperate layers.
The 2 layers didn't occur. Suspicion of mistake rose.
The solvent I used contained:
* Aqua
* Alcohol
* Capryl glucoside
* Lauryl glucoside
* Candida bombicola/glucose/methyl rapeseedate ferment
* Sodium Citrate
* Lactic acid
* Parfum
* Fatty acids C8-18
* Glyceryl caprylate
* Limonene
Is my DMT in this "wrong" solvent? If so could i get this out?
Is my DMT still in the mimosadough? Will the "correct" limonene solvent still form a seperate layer now?
I hope my post was clear.
Thanks
Wally
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Sorry to say but, start again....
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caliwa said:
Was the mixture black? If it was black, it had a high enough pH. Even if it was thick, if you mixed well enough you should have at least some yield. How many ml water per gram bark per gram lye?
Sorry if you already answered this but: Was it powdered? How many pulls did you do, how many mls? did you do many cycles of agitation/letting separate before making each pull?
You say you bought from a market and that people use it traditionally, but traditional use for skin care and so on, it needs tanins, its not related to alkaloid content so maybe you have a kind low in dmt? Or also, are you sure its inner rootbark, not stembark? Maybe your bark is low on dmt to begin with so no matter what you do, you cant get much out.
Lastly, in that oil after evap, there can be some dmt there, more than what it looks like. Often it happens that when its oily, it seems like very little but that there's significant amount of alks. Use a small amount of hot solvent to redissolve that goo (or everything that came out of your extraction) and freeze again. Check FAQ for instructions on how best to retrieve crystals after freezing.
you have stated an important thing i havent been considering. my mimosa root. i got it already powdered. i have no idea wether is low in DMT or not, but it may be. how can you tell beetween inner rootbark and stembark? what are the specs on the right rootbark? smell, looks, what? i just got a massive bag with powdered rtootbark. for the smell i could tell it was mimosa rootbark since ive known this plant since i was a child, but i dont know how it needs to look for it to be a high dmt rootbark.
the mixture was jet black, i did several mixes and let it separate, after separating each solvent pull. i did warm pulls. i did like 6 solvent extractions, each one of them warming the solution on hot water baths, mixing, letting sepparate, mixing again, and repeating 4 times each time i made an extraction. I did many cycles.
the mixture was jet black, i did several mixes and let it separate, after separating each solvent pull. i did warm pulls. i did like 6 solvent extractions, each one of them warming the solution on hot water baths, mixing, letting sepparate, mixing again, and repeating 4 times each time i made an extraction. I did many cycles.
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well it sounds right, the extraction description. So all those pulls combined, you still have them, nothing was thrown away, right? So using a bit of warm solvent to pick up whatever traces are in containers, and re-freezing, does that yield in something?
Also, Im not sure if you can know by looks regarding alkaloid content. Mimosa rootbark looks pink/purple. If local market one doesnt yield good, try finding a supplier in our supplier section, I think there were some ethnobotanical websites selling mimosa. It might be more expensive but maybe try once just to compare yields.
Also, Im not sure if you can know by looks regarding alkaloid content. Mimosa rootbark looks pink/purple. If local market one doesnt yield good, try finding a supplier in our supplier section, I think there were some ethnobotanical websites selling mimosa. It might be more expensive but maybe try once just to compare yields.
