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[quote:305b84f64c="ElfSpice"]@sillysyban- acidify to 2.7 - 3, and yes you can reduce with no problem as long as you have NOT basified. Depends on how much your starting material was also to determine how much to reduce also. If acidic uses stainless or ceramic crock-pot. never use aluminum as always.[/quote:305b84f64c] For MHRB 2.7 - 3 pH is just way too low... SWIM will never get grade A white crystals whith such a low pH, only after intense cleaning, freeze precip. and recrystallization. Spice used to be orange-yellow with Quantum Tetra's tek (pH ~ 2.5)
 
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Swim have used about 350 - 400g accacia material. His expected yield is about 1 gram however it may be a little lower as he only cooked it in vinegar/water for 3 half hour sessions not 3 two hour sessions. Swim still has rest of material soaking in vinegar/water so if not enough can do another pull. Swim has about 2 1/2 litres of extracted water in which to basify. How much should that be reduced down to? Again I seek the wisdom of people further down the road than me.
 
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Time will tell. About 250ml of naptha was used for final extraction. The black basified liquid was saved in case this wasnt enough and more solvent has to be added but I hope it should be. After separation The naptha looks slighty yellow. Swim will try to evap and crystalise this and see what happens. Swims sources told me that accacia has less than MHRB. Keep you all posted. Swim told me he was very excited to get this far. He thanks you all for your advice.
 
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Hey good people. SWIMs first attempt has not met with great success. I will run through his process and see if you can see anything obvious. Mulched plant material (about 350g of accacia 0.3% dmt) with 3 parts water. Added 1 part white vinegar. Simmered for 1/2 hour. Drained. Added more water/vinegar mix. Simmered 1/2 hour. Did once more. Filtered through silk screen and then coffee filter. Had about 2.5 litres. Did 2 defats with turpentine then 2 defats with shellite/Naptha. Solution was then reduced by boiling to just under 1.5 litres and allowed to cool. During reduction a fair bit of green scum was removed from top of boiling water and discarded. Mixed 6 teaspoons NaOH with 250ml water. Added slowly. Solution turned black. Added a bit more to be sure. Added 250ml Naptha. Rolled around and shook. Let settle then shook more. Emulsions settled after 10 mins. Removed Naptha. Was a slightly yellow color. Evaped down to 100ml. Was near heat source but did not get that hot (about 45 deg C.). Put in freezer. After short time there was some green sludge on bottom. transfered solution to another container and put in freezer. After another day there was some crystals on bottom. poured off Naptha and let dry. Have not got scales yet but looks like about .15g (compared to what .15g of other compounds looks like). Let naptha evap more and put back in freezer. No more crystals. SWIM still has black basified solution but not sure if he will get more out of this. If not able to get more can someone tell me where he went wrong for next time? Thanks.
 
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i would be very interested to hear what expected yeilds are from fresh (undried) obtusifolia bark ... i know i sure dont dry it first.. all of my extractions have simply been a big bag of the stuff, never weighed it. so you got ~150mg from 350g undried bark or?
 
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[quote:aca94dea57="halou"]i would be very interested to hear what expected yeilds are from fresh (undried) obtusifolia bark ... i know i sure dont dry it first.. all of my extractions have simply been a big bag of the stuff, never weighed it. so you got ~150mg from 350g undried bark or?[/quote:aca94dea57] I guess you mean Acacia Obtusifolia...? Quantum Tetra's tek says you should get a maximum amount of 0,71%.
 
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No this stuff was leaves. A friend of a friend sent it to SWIM from the border. He said it had dmt .3% in the leaves but I am starting to doubt it now. Maybe I will try with Obtusifolia bark next time. It may be obtusifolia but this FOAF got it wrong and took the leaves intead of the bark? SWIM will ask him.
 
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SWIM has asked his friend what type of acaccia was sent down and it turns out to be buffalo sallow wattle. SWIM did some research on this and yes it is supposed to have .3% in the leaves but it turns out that this is a very endangered species that only grows on Mt Buffalo. SWIM is VERY bummed out about this. A warning to newbies like SWIM is to do your research and maybe get the plant material yourself to avoid this happening. Like I said a FOAF sent this down to SWIM after a converstion on dmt and now SWIM feels like an environmental terrorist. What can SWIM say. Ignorance is no excuse but it is a lesson learned. I am writing this so if people read it and it stops them from using this particular plant, maybe it has a chance and SWIMs Karma will rebalance itself a bit.
 
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[quote:cdb2a4a35d="sillysyban"]SWIM has asked his friend what type of acaccia was sent down and it turns out to be buffalo sallow wattle. SWIM did some research on this and yes it is supposed to have .3% in the leaves but it turns out that this is a very endangered species that only grows on Mt Buffalo. SWIM is VERY bummed out about this. A warning to newbies like SWIM is to do your research and maybe get the plant material yourself to avoid this happening. Like I said a FOAF sent this down to SWIM after a converstion on dmt and now SWIM feels like an environmental terrorist. What can SWIM say. Ignorance is no excuse but it is a lesson learned. I am writing this so if people read it and it stops them from using this particular plant, maybe it has a chance and SWIMs Karma will rebalance itself a bit.[/quote:cdb2a4a35d] Thanks for sharing this with us. Maybe SWIY have to think about getting Mimosa Hostilis rootbark, as it's not endangered, easily obtained and has lot of DMT in it.
 
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Hi blacksheep, The turps was a defat step in soma's tek for acacia. It states that an aromatic solvent will get out more crap than the naptha. It says use turps for two defats and then use naptha for a defat to remove the turps. I dont know if that is right or not. Can someone who is in the know confirm or deny the validity of this? Once again your thoughts will enlighten me.
 
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Be careful what turpentine you buy... There's mineral turpentine, which is often called "White Spirit" in Europe and "Odorless Mineral Spirit" elsewhere, and natural turpentine, which is a fluid obtained from the resin of trees. OMS or White Spirits is a good non-polar solvent, according to Astral-Time Traveler. It sounds logical, because OMS is distilled naphta.
 
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[quote:8b5a94da28="Doerak"]Be careful what turpentine you buy... There's mineral turpentine, which is often called "White Spirit" in Europe and "Odorless Mineral Spirit" elsewhere, and natural turpentine, which is a fluid obtained from the resin of trees. OMS or White Spirits is a good non-polar solvent, according to Astral-Time Traveler. It sounds logical, because OMS is distilled naphta.[/quote:8b5a94da28] Are you saying that OMS and mineral turpentine is the same and that it is distilled naphta? You can buy mineral turpentine in every store, so if it's distilled naphta then isn't that the perfect non-polar solvent?
 
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[quote:ed9b5eb26e="DMTripper"]Are you saying that OMS and mineral turpentine is the same and that it is distilled naphta? You can buy mineral turpentine in every store, so if it's distilled naphta then isn't that the perfect non-polar solvent?[/quote:ed9b5eb26e] Mineral spirits are not necessarily always OMS. OMS is one type of mineral spirits, but it's incredibly easy to obtain. Check the bottle and check the contents. My White Spririt bottle says it's highly desulfured (if that's a word in English) naphta. I can't buy mineral turpentine (OMS) here, because it is White Spirit, to my knowledge, so I can't check. Wikipedia tells me the following: [quote:ed9b5eb26e]A typical composition for mineral spirits is the following: aliphatic solvent hexane having a maximum aromatics content of 0.1% by volume[/quote:ed9b5eb26e] Hexane is a good non-polar solvent for DMT extracting. More info by Astral-Time traveler in another topic: http://www.dmt-nexus.me/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=321
 
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[quote:7ddc52bb1c="DMTripper"]I'm going to check some artstores for OMS :D And about Hexane, do you know any other name for it?[/quote:7ddc52bb1c] Hexane is the chemical name for C6H14, so check the product contents to see if it's in there. Like I said, some mineral spirits contain hexane. Hexane isn't the only non-polar solvent you want to look for, though. Heptane (C7H16) has proven to work. I personally use a white spirit which contains octane (C8H18) and works well. Do not specifically look for OMS. If you're in Europe, it might be called White Spirit. Look at the paint thinners and machine cleaners and take a look at the contents.
 
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20 hours into freeze precip and there is cloudy spirits (OMS) and a few very small white crystals on the side of the glass container. There was some white flakes floating on the top. Is this working? Will the cloudiness go away? Thx
 
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20 hours seems a bit long.I s your freezer on it's coldest setting? you want it way down to -20 C.whaen it all precipitates out the solvent should be clear again maybe slightly yello but clear nonrtheless.maybe you have too much solvent for the amount of DMT in it.try evapping half of it and putting it back in the freezer
 
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