official extraction help thread

[psilocybin]

Any questions or problems you may run into during an extraction can be asked to get other members input in this thread.

 

[mardybum]

alrigght, SWIM will leave it in there for a few days then. doesnt the yellow colour signify fat? if it goes clear wouldnt that mean the fat is crystallising? i what causes it to go clear? anyways, yeah its on its coldest setting. also anyone who is good at eyeballing, could they give me an apporximate dose thats in the photo's or give me directions on how to eyeball 50mg. the 20 cent peice is approx 3 cm wide, well 2.8-2.9cm to be exact. is it ok to use a cotton shirt to filter out crystals?

 

[Doerak]

[quote:dd98bb8971="mardybum"]alrigght, SWIM will leave it in there for a few days then. doesnt the yellow colour signify fat? if it goes clear wouldnt that mean the fat is crystallising?[/quote:dd98bb8971] The yellow color is normal, but mine was much more clear yellow. I could look through it when I put it in the freezer. After a few hours, the solution became white/yellowish cloudy. [quote:dd98bb8971="mardybum"]i what causes it to go clear?[/quote:dd98bb8971] It goes white when the DMT precipitates. Cold naphta can hold less DMT than warm naphta. That's why it precipitates it out. The white cloud is all DMT. When enough DMT has precipitated out, it will return to the state it was in when you put it in the freezer. There's still DMT in it, but not enough to cause crystallization. Evaporate it to get the last bit of DMT out of it. [quote:dd98bb8971="mardybum"]also anyone who is good at eyeballing, could they give me an apporximate dose thats in the photo's or give me directions on how to eyeball 50mg.[/quote:dd98bb8971] Same question here I have a scale which I bought of eBay and is supposed to me 0.01g precise, but it's just totally inaccurate.

 

[mardybum]

[quote:9ac4cb15a1="Doerak"][quote:9ac4cb15a1="mardybum"]alrigght, SWIM will leave it in there for a few days then. doesnt the yellow colour signify fat? if it goes clear wouldnt that mean the fat is crystallising?[/quote:9ac4cb15a1] The yellow color is normal, but mine was much more clear yellow. I could look through it when I put it in the freezer. After a few hours, the solution became white/yellowish cloudy.[/quote:9ac4cb15a1] Yeah, myn is very cloudy because I let it evaporate so much (I think). I heard the more you evaporate it, the easier the crystals will precipitate because there's more DMT per parts of naptha. [quote:9ac4cb15a1="Doerak"][quote:9ac4cb15a1="mardybum"]i what causes it to go clear?[/quote:9ac4cb15a1] It goes white when the DMT precipitates. Cold naphta can hold less DMT than warm naphta. That's why it precipitates it out. The white cloud is all DMT. When enough DMT has precipitated out, it will return to the state it was in when you put it in the freezer. There's still DMT in it, but not enough to cause crystallization. Evaporate it to get the last bit of DMT out of it.[/quote:9ac4cb15a1] Ahh, I see. So I leave it in the freezer until the solvent turns 'see-through' and is not cloudy anymore, that makes more sense, I thought sillysyban meant the solvent actually turn clear like water. I unserstand now that the cloudiness is DMT, and once the DMT precipitates out of the solvent, it will become clear. Thanks for, 'clearing' that up. Lol, excuse my stupid pun. I read one way to do it if you got a fair amount of spice is weigh out say half a gram on normal scales, eyeball split the the half gram in half = 250 mg split that = 125mg so on until you get the dose you want. but i dont think i have enough spice to do that.

 

[jyubai]

hey everybody, swim just finished an extraction using the DMT for the Masses tek and was left with abut 0.5g from 75g mhrb. what swim was left with was a light yellow crystalline powder. no ammonia rinse was performed. the smoke was very harsh, tasting of naptha and burnt plastic. the effects were almost immediate, the pipe fell out of swims hands and the smoke left to expel as an immediate paronia about breathing took hold. with eyes closed a bright light came through radiating geometric patterns, a female entity became visible as she gently tried to hold his head. being confused and paranoid swim found it hard to enjoy the trip for thr fear that he was going to stop breathing. however the place he went to felt familair simililar to a mushroom reality so he did feel comfortable. the dose was about 0.08g and the bowl was not even half way finished. having never had DMT before swim was wondering if he is on the right track.. any help appreciated..

 

[DMTripper]

SWIU is on the right track but if the smoke was very harsh then maybe it would be a good idea to clean the produch a bit. Personally I like to purify and loose some of the spice and instead get a clean product. The cleaner the better. And don't worry about your breath. I've never heard of anyone stopping breathing while in hyperspace. And if someone ever did I would probably know about it 'cause I've read so much reports and stuff hehe But it's common though that people experience what you did and worry about their breath. Just let go and enjoy the ride. Just try to smoke enough to break through. Then you will forget your body anyways so you wont worry about breathing. And don't worry about dying and stuff, there are worse things than dying and we're all going to die some day anyways

 

[Noman]

If the smoke tasted like naptha, you need to let your shit dry better. Clean crystal is way less harsh too. Almost tastes good.

 

[DMTripper]

But damn I hate that smell I feel like it really interferes with my trip. Like I take that smell with me and it's fuckin things up At least it felt like that like 3 hours ago when I went on my 3rd trip and had quite a difficult experience. Well it was good to be back

 

[Doerak]

[quote:1ebf1fb784="DMTripper"]But damn I hate that smell I feel like it really interferes with my trip. Like I take that smell with me and it's fuckin things up At least it felt like that like 3 hours ago when I went on my 3rd trip and had quite a difficult experience. Well it was good to be back [/quote:1ebf1fb784] Try adding mint to the DMT. It's nice and cooling for your lungs and makes the smoke less harsh. I haven't tried it with DMT, but I have smoked mixtures with mint in them. It's pretty nice

 

[DMTripper]

I even had dry mint leaves ready in the kitchen! I'll try that next time

 

[jyubai]

thanx for the quick reply guys... you all rock.. i will definitely clean my spice as soon as i can find some good ammonia... and thanks for everyones combined wisdom for getting me this far..

 

[mardybum]

im doing another extraction soon. i just have a few questions. if i boil the bark for 2 hours. can i let it sit for a few days afterwards. will this get more dmt out, or is it pointless. apparently a pH of 6 will get 99.9% of dmt out of the bark, going any lower just pulls more gunk, anyone have anything to say about this? should i strain the bark out, after the acid boil, after the defat or after the basification? has anyone been succesful with freezeprecipping shellite? i really need to know what to do here, do i evap it down to half its size, quarter or what before i stick it into the freezer?

 

[angryanus]

ph around 6 and you will pull very little dmt out. i say just follow the teks and have your ph above 12 to do your extraction. boiling for 2 hours should be enough preperation for your extraction. . . . . . . . Mr. "Peterpan" was preparing to do a recrystallation and decided to evaporate some extra naphtha outdoors(high 60 F degrees) in the sunlight. After a hour or so something precipitated out that prolly was not dmt. the fluffly substance was a bit yellow and sticky. anyone have any similar experience like this where they evaporated outdoors in the sunlight and garbage precipitated out?

 

[mardybum]

swim started his xtraction on obtus bark. 300g cut into small half inch peices simmered in 2-3pH water for 1.5 hours, left to sit for 2-3 hours, then decanted. put bark and remaining liquid back into pot with a bit of extra liquid, simmered for 1 hour, strained, both liquids combined, bark is drying out incase swim wants to be extra effecient. assuming obtus bark is 0.3-0.5% dmt he should get close to a gram of dmt from 300g. anyone can vouch for the turpentine defat in soma's tek? is turpentine ok to use to defat it looks kind of dirty. anyone heard of cleaning crystals with baking soda?

 

[Doerak]

[quote:e46028fca5="mardybum"]anyone heard of cleaning crystals with baking soda?[/quote:e46028fca5] I don't see how that would work. Baking soda is a base just like lye. Since the DMT is already in it's base form I don't see how adding more OH- would make the DMT cleaner. I have read something about cleaning the spice with active carbon, which looks promising although I haven't tried it myself. Using the freeze precip method will get rid of most of the crap you would get with evapping. Recrystallizing (a few times) will get the spice even cleaner. I wouldn't try adding baking soda

 

[Garulfo]

DMT is vaporized at 160 degree Celsius. I never heard about that but I wonder if a distillation process could be done to purify a goo assuming that the oily parts of the goo have a higher temp of vaporization.

 

[mardybum]

swim has a fair bit of water (from acid boil) to work with and wondered it it'd be ok to evap it all down? could he combine the two jars of what he pulled yesterday into a pot with the bark and boil it until the water level is about half? would he lose any goodies by doing this? also, swim has a hospital grade syringe. would this be OK to use with shellite/solvents? he remembers milk bottle plastic is ok and assumes that syringes should be designed to stand corrosive like chemicals aswell?

 

[angryanus]

i used a hostpital grade syringe and had problems with the rubber plunger expanding inside the syringe making it hard to use. The plastic syringe will do hold up to the naphtha though. [img:9286bebdb7]http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/9062/dsc02398dw7.th.jpg[/img:9286bebdb7] if you do use the syringe to suck up solvents then before you do, pull the plunger half way out and then start to suck up the solvent. when you squirt it out try not to let the plunger touch the parts of the syringe where naphtha was.

 

[DMTripper]

[quote:2b78f04528="mardybum"]Anyone heard of cleaning crystals with baking soda?[/quote:2b78f04528] If you go to the files section on the Nexus you will find a .pdf called "Vovin's Unabridged Extraction guide.pdf". There on page 12 he explains how to use baking soda to pull lye out of a DMT containing solvent before crystaliztion. I haven't tryed it but it sounds like it works.

 

[sillysyban]

Dont use turps. SWIM used it and had to do another 3 defats with shellite before he got the turps smell out of it. Boiling down is fine as long as it is still in acid form and not basified. When it is acid form it is a salt and will not vaporise. As soon as you add base it will become a freebase and evap out when boiling. Shellite is fine to recrystallise. SWIM did 2 recrystalizations with shellite and got nice white crystals. Just follow recrystallisation tek posted by Noman. Let it evap down naturally (dont heat it) till it gets cloudy or up to 1/10 of its volume, whichever comes first. Then cover with double layer of glad wrap and elastic band and put in fridge for a day then freezer for two or three days. The slower it cools the bigger the crystals. Good luck. Ps. Someone with more knowledge may wish to correct me but that is what worked for SWIM.

 

[mardybum]

okey doke. swim informed me hell just use shellite. its only like 2 bucks extra per litre anyway. thanks for the info. - the lower swim evaps it down, the easier crystals will freeze precip out? is that correct, or is there such thing as evaporating it down too much before freezing/