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Waffles said:
wtf!!! thats really wrong on so many levels!!! what do you mean 'you dont mind' ? your body is a temple, are you going to be smoking/eating plastic? you should respect yourself some more! What if you have some serious problem because of it? What if you have such a big problem that you end up in the hospital and it gets found out that you were smoking dmt with plastic.. oh the media would love that.. Not to mention your health could be completely screwed, you suffering, your family or friends suffering with you because of your actions. Be more reasonable, thats just common sense man
Its the simplest thing in the world, no matter where you are, to get a glass jar or an hdpe bottle (just look for the triangle with the number 2 on the bottom of the containers.. you can buy it at any hardware store or supermarkets or whatever).
I dont know what 'petrol' you are using, I dont know if thats equivalent to naphtha or not.. did you do an evap test on it? are you sure its not some water-soluble solvent that you think is equivalent to naphtha but its not? try adding a bit to plain water and see if it mixes up.
I think you should absolutely throw this extraction away, no doubt about it (petrol+highly basified product for 2 days in ziplock?! jeez, man, for the love of god! ).
Then start all over again, with a propper container, use much more lye, like 5x more or something, make sure your solvent is good, and it will work.
I agree. Respect your body. What you're doing is self destruction and thats the last thing THEY want. I could even imagine that THEY would be very angry with you if you were to try this contaminated spice.
Waffles
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I've used that same petrol before to defat the solution and also to extract dxm so it's not water-soluable by nature and please chill about the zip lock bag it's not like I'm actually gonna die from smoking one milligram of some plastic residue :lol: I just wanted to ask if anyone knows why the whole solution is now black instead of having that nonpolar hydrocarbon petrol on top of it. Using a glass jar shouldn't really make a difference other than sparing my lungs a bit or can it actually interfere with the chemical reaction?
Waffles said:
If you don't understand what is wrong with what you are doing then I think you have no place here asking any more questions. Or you try to understand what we are saying here or your out for a few weeks...
An extraction is not something you do quickly or without researching what you are exactly doing. Thinking it's ok to smoke some plastic gives a seriously bad example to other people who might visit this site. SMOKING PLASTIC IS WRONG! Gathering the right resources like the correct plastic or glass container is something so easy that I don't see why you make a problem out of it. If we see someone here who doesn't want to take or understand our well meant advice then we don't feel like answering your other questions, this since you seemingly aren't interested in it at all.
The Traveler
Waffles
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I'll toss some lye in to that baggie soonish and see what comes out, if nothing positive happens I guess I'll try again and risk wasting the rest of my MHRB. Would still be nice to hear some scientific theory about why my petrol=benzin=lighter fluid=naphta doesn't separate from the rest of the liquid because it is definitely 100% nonpolar and doesn't contain anything else than the hydrocarbons. Also I wonder if my naphta has already evaporated through the baggie in this time. Zip lock bags are used for storing fruit and other foods by the way so they do not contain any toxic chemicals, they are made of polyethene which when burned converts into water and carbondioxide, I'm not gonna fill my bong with car tires but what ever if you want to ban me then I guess it is inevitable. Sorry for being honest. This was really my last option to get an answer to my problem. Guess I have to stick to ayahuasca and shrooms :?
Philodendron
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i posted a seperate thread on this, but i just realized its more appropriate to post it here, not trying to be redundant..
today was my first attempt at drying Epsom salt in the oven at 400 degress for an hour, to make Anhydrous Magnesium Sulfate. at no point does it turn "gray and ashy", as it's said it would. instead it slightly yellows around the edges of the salt pile, the rest turns super white, and it all hardens to a solid sheet which i break apart in large chunks. Same result at 450 degrees for 2 hours.
so my questions are:
why is it turning yellow? is the yellowing a bad thing? should i fish and toss out the yellowed salt? am i doing something wrong? i feel like i am because i can't find any mention of this in the nexus. is it possible that some brands of epsom salt has additives or impurities that are not listed on the label?
what do i do with the chunks? do i mash them down to a powder? i didn't think the end result of the drying meant the epsom salt would no longer be in chunky salt crystal form as it began, but instead it all "melts" together. if i grind it down to a fine powder, would a fine powder consistency be appropriate for use in drying out solvents. it seems like it would be hard to filter out?
today was my first attempt at drying Epsom salt in the oven at 400 degress for an hour, to make Anhydrous Magnesium Sulfate. at no point does it turn "gray and ashy", as it's said it would. instead it slightly yellows around the edges of the salt pile, the rest turns super white, and it all hardens to a solid sheet which i break apart in large chunks. Same result at 450 degrees for 2 hours.
so my questions are:
why is it turning yellow? is the yellowing a bad thing? should i fish and toss out the yellowed salt? am i doing something wrong? i feel like i am because i can't find any mention of this in the nexus. is it possible that some brands of epsom salt has additives or impurities that are not listed on the label?
what do i do with the chunks? do i mash them down to a powder? i didn't think the end result of the drying meant the epsom salt would no longer be in chunky salt crystal form as it began, but instead it all "melts" together. if i grind it down to a fine powder, would a fine powder consistency be appropriate for use in drying out solvents. it seems like it would be hard to filter out?
Waffles said:
Youre wrong, polyethene (or polyethylene) when burned does not only convert into water and carbon dioxide. You should be well aware that the combustion of ANY product generates several combustion by-products (such as toxic polycyclic aromatic compounds present in the combustion of PE). Dont think for a moment that plastic is anything special and with a benign combustion, this makes no sense, on the contrary it may be worse in many cases.
Again, you are not considering the influence you irresponsible posts can have on others. Its not being truthfull, its being reckless and not thinking about what you're doing. And im sorry, but if you dont see whats wrong with smoking plastic, you really have no place here.
Waffles
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Polyaromatic molecules (PAH) are carsinogenic but they are produced by any kind of burning by combustion and I pretty quickly managed to find this link http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/FIRE/docs/SMP/FinalPEReportOct2803.pdf stating that ''The available literature does not support a contention that burning PE (polyethelyne) sheeting would produce unique chemicals or classes of chemicals that are not also found in emissions from burning wood debris''. Yes my body is a temple but it's not a public temple, it's my temple and I decide if I want to coat it with a delicious layer of PAH's. I really didn't come here intending to argue with people about plastics. I can't figure out what went wrong with my experiment and would truly appreciate any help that you can offer. I will definitely try adding more lye next time even though it doesn't really make sense to me how to it would solve the problem of the disappearing naphta.
Philodendron said:
I never used epsom salt so maybe someone else with more experience can answer you better but, out of plain logic (and having dried solvents with other material appart from epsom salt), here's what I think: Do grind it down to a powder, as it will have more surface area exposed to the solvent and therefore be more appropriate for trapping any water present. As for filtering, it shouldnt be a problem because you shouldnt need to filter it all.. You will shake/mix the solvent, the epsom salt will trap the water, and you let it stand. It will all fall to the bottom. So just let it stand for a while, and decant away your solvent from the bottom layer of epsom salt. You can filter it in any case just to make sure no floating epsom salt comes across, but since this will only be a small amount, it definitely wont be difficult to filter.
hope it helps
Philodendron
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thanks for the reply endlessness. so i imagine if one where to put an excess of magnesium sulfate in a solvent, the "dry" excess would drop out of the solution as well? Also, what do you use to dry your solvents? i would prefer to use a chunky, granular but porous dessicant, i wonder if that exist.
btw, would you mind if i quoted you in the thread i started in the nursery regarding these questions?
btw, would you mind if i quoted you in the thread i started in the nursery regarding these questions?
I wouldnt mind if you quoted me 
gammagore said:
True I guess. I have been doing it the way I have been as it is the cheapest way possible for me to try it, so I wasn't that bothered with using up all my £10 worth of MHRB on these attempts.
A chemical tek is way more expensive which put me off. (At least when you consider the initial outlay for equipment and chemicals etc compared with the very basic few things you need for Ayahuasca)
:shock: The experience of ayahuasca is radically different from smoked spice. The price tag should in no way, shape, or form dictate which route you choose to go. These are medicines that deserve respect and preparation. I hope you give some thought as to what your intentions are before going with ayahuasca over dmt because it's a cheaper way to "get high" off of dmt.ugh1979 said:
jblazingnataraja
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Hey guys - loving the things I've learnt here - awesome to be able to create my own crystals, with some really good teks.
I have had my best yield so far I do believe (previous yields went straight to the pipe, I have no scales of my own anymore), with the most slapdash tek I've done yet too - I didn't measure out anything except 2 litres of water.
I put in one cup of lye, and just over a cup of MHRB, left the solution for an hour after turning it over and over, then did 2 pulls within about an hour.
I then did a cold cycle (fridge to freezer) for about 10 hours, and watched as so much DMT was crashing out, more than I'd seen on any of my weighed first extractions - and big crystals accumulating on the bottom, really thick ones.
So they were left in the freezer for about 12 hours, and about 20 mins ago I decanted carefully all the solvent from 3 jars into one tall one to see if I can precipitate even more spice.
The 3 jars I have dripped over the tall jar for a few minutes each, then stuck them upside down back in the freezer to make sure all hte naptha drains out.
Now what?!?!How will I now when they're ready?!? I want to know if an hour or 2 should suffice for gravity to do it's job, so then can take the jars out the freezer and leave the trace amounts to evaporate off by my window.
I know it's probably common sense, but I'd just lke a lil input. I've been reading up a lot in the forums over the past few weeks, and am eager to try something other than STB after I'm through with this kilo, putting the end product in vials on my shelf.
I have decided to go the d-limonene route, maybe.
Anyways, thanks for considering this - I open the floor - cheers
I have had my best yield so far I do believe (previous yields went straight to the pipe, I have no scales of my own anymore), with the most slapdash tek I've done yet too - I didn't measure out anything except 2 litres of water.
I put in one cup of lye, and just over a cup of MHRB, left the solution for an hour after turning it over and over, then did 2 pulls within about an hour.
I then did a cold cycle (fridge to freezer) for about 10 hours, and watched as so much DMT was crashing out, more than I'd seen on any of my weighed first extractions - and big crystals accumulating on the bottom, really thick ones.
So they were left in the freezer for about 12 hours, and about 20 mins ago I decanted carefully all the solvent from 3 jars into one tall one to see if I can precipitate even more spice.
The 3 jars I have dripped over the tall jar for a few minutes each, then stuck them upside down back in the freezer to make sure all hte naptha drains out.
Now what?!?!How will I now when they're ready?!? I want to know if an hour or 2 should suffice for gravity to do it's job, so then can take the jars out the freezer and leave the trace amounts to evaporate off by my window.
I know it's probably common sense, but I'd just lke a lil input. I've been reading up a lot in the forums over the past few weeks, and am eager to try something other than STB after I'm through with this kilo, putting the end product in vials on my shelf.
I have decided to go the d-limonene route, maybe.
Anyways, thanks for considering this - I open the floor - cheers
SnozzleBerry said:
I'm don't like smoking anything so ayahuasca or oral DMT is what i'm after. ayahuasca being the cheaper so it of course made sense to try before an extraction, which I would prefer to have.
I'm well aware of the difference when smoked compared with oral DMT.
Well this is what I ended up with after 3 pulls, not the biggest yield ever but its my first ever extraction and I used Citrus Sinensis oil rather than d-Limonene, simply ordered the wrong thing, seems to have worked out ok though.
Had some trouble with emulsions forming during extraction though, maybe due to the Citrus Sinensis oil but heating it up seemed to help quite abit at seperating.
Here I have 816mg on the scales and also around 50-100mg of powdered mescaline accetate from the third pull.
Had some trouble with emulsions forming during extraction though, maybe due to the Citrus Sinensis oil but heating it up seemed to help quite abit at seperating.
Here I have 816mg on the scales and also around 50-100mg of powdered mescaline accetate from the third pull.
R4s3tsu
Rising Star
Hi guys, I was not satisfied with my previous extractions and now I've got pure NaOh and microscales, so now, I'm fully armed and ready to battle
And now I thought what if I shall do 70% acetone solvent pulls instead of naphta in STB tek? I know I couldn't get crystalls out but the goo\powder will be good though. Will it work? Or acetone will dissolve other crap from mimosa soup?
And now I thought what if I shall do 70% acetone solvent pulls instead of naphta in STB tek? I know I couldn't get crystalls out but the goo\powder will be good though. Will it work? Or acetone will dissolve other crap from mimosa soup?
research more please. acetone mixes with water, it wouldnt form a separate layer, so it wont work at all
