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Du57mi73
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Does your lighter fluid contain anything besides naptha? I would stray away from using zippo fluids because they have contaminates in them. But if you think the fluid is fine then you're going to want to use 200ml per gram of expected spice. Yes use the fibres and the powder. No sense wasting goods, its all got spice in it. 
So you have 100g mhrb, that should yeild about 1.5g of spice. Id use 3-100ml naptha pulls. My suggestion is to use 800ml water, 50g lye, 50g noniodized salt, and then the 3-100ml pulls(300ml naptha).
So you have 100g mhrb, that should yeild about 1.5g of spice. Id use 3-100ml naptha pulls. My suggestion is to use 800ml water, 50g lye, 50g noniodized salt, and then the 3-100ml pulls(300ml naptha).
slugware
Rising Star
thanks for answering, pal
it is this solvent that i'm aware of atm to be available in my town
torba.bg
ill make an evap test, as suggested, to see if theres something left
i am sure there are other naphta-containg products, but i am not yet aware of them (as commercial products)
i'll also look for heptane, but don't know what places i could find it at
cheers!
it is this solvent that i'm aware of atm to be available in my town
torba.bg
ill make an evap test, as suggested, to see if theres something left
i am sure there are other naphta-containg products, but i am not yet aware of them (as commercial products)
i'll also look for heptane, but don't know what places i could find it at
cheers!
The Unknowing
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thecrystalkid
Rising Star
hi, if anyone can pick faults, or offer tweaks on quantities or temperatures etc, of the tek i'm going with, i'd appreciate it very much. I have to do all i can to avoid strong odours. i realise i could have gone with other less harmfull chemicals but for now i would like to make this work.
i have 250g of brazilian mhrb; what i would call finely shredded with a fair bit of powder. i thought i'd start with a 50g of mhrb and then if all goes well 2 x 100g at a later date(or is 100 g mhrb easier to work with?). i am using the lazyman's tek.
add 75g lye to 1 litre distilled water, wait till fully disolved (is warm water better as i have lye pearls?). mix with mhrb. do i have to sit over it and stir? (avoiding chemical odour). i'm in no rush so letting it stand overnight would be ok? add 130 ml of ronsonol (1 canister (is warm better?)) stir a little and leave 5-10 mins then pour off into glass dish. perform sodium carbonate wash and a couple of water washes (warm?). pour on baking pyrex and evap(i won't be using a freezer). can i use a dehumidifier in a largish air tight'ish container to encourage evaporation? once dried/crystallised perform 1 solvent wash using ronsonol (i have acetone if thats better? assuming its pure for now)) till dmt dissolved. re-evap. was gonna store product in a glass container with dessicant in fridge.
make enhanced leaf (changa next time maybe): if the ratio is 2 units leaf to 1 unit of dmt, will it be less harsh? i'm happy to go 1:1 if its the same harshness though i'm guessing more concentrated dmt equals harsher. put leaf in shot glass, add dmt, pour on acetone till leaf is covered, stir then leave to evap.
i assume lye plus ingredients, whilst soaking, is extremely caustic on the nose...so i will be doing alot of it it outdoors and maybe with some help if fumes are totally unavoidable so will the lower temps make a difference?
my reason for doing this is to help with chronic illness and support a recovery, which is possible. thankyou for this site so i can do this safely. i'm not lopoking for breakthroughs at present, just some healing body buzzes.
peace~
i have 250g of brazilian mhrb; what i would call finely shredded with a fair bit of powder. i thought i'd start with a 50g of mhrb and then if all goes well 2 x 100g at a later date(or is 100 g mhrb easier to work with?). i am using the lazyman's tek.
add 75g lye to 1 litre distilled water, wait till fully disolved (is warm water better as i have lye pearls?). mix with mhrb. do i have to sit over it and stir? (avoiding chemical odour). i'm in no rush so letting it stand overnight would be ok? add 130 ml of ronsonol (1 canister (is warm better?)) stir a little and leave 5-10 mins then pour off into glass dish. perform sodium carbonate wash and a couple of water washes (warm?). pour on baking pyrex and evap(i won't be using a freezer). can i use a dehumidifier in a largish air tight'ish container to encourage evaporation? once dried/crystallised perform 1 solvent wash using ronsonol (i have acetone if thats better? assuming its pure for now)) till dmt dissolved. re-evap. was gonna store product in a glass container with dessicant in fridge.
make enhanced leaf (changa next time maybe): if the ratio is 2 units leaf to 1 unit of dmt, will it be less harsh? i'm happy to go 1:1 if its the same harshness though i'm guessing more concentrated dmt equals harsher. put leaf in shot glass, add dmt, pour on acetone till leaf is covered, stir then leave to evap.
i assume lye plus ingredients, whilst soaking, is extremely caustic on the nose...so i will be doing alot of it it outdoors and maybe with some help if fumes are totally unavoidable so will the lower temps make a difference?
my reason for doing this is to help with chronic illness and support a recovery, which is possible. thankyou for this site so i can do this safely. i'm not lopoking for breakthroughs at present, just some healing body buzzes.
peace~
Du57mi73
Rising Star
Okay, your idea od doing a 50g now and 2-100 later is a good idea. If you're doing 50g, use only 500ml water and 50g lye(even that is extreme, but it first trial), and 20g salt(sea salt, nonidodized salt, nacl or kcl). The water does need preheated. Actually, when you add the lye it will heat itself up due to an exothermic reaction with naoh and water. So if for whatever reason you wanted it hot, it does so automatically. I think using hot water might make it too hot and stress the glass if the water has too much turbulence because of the lye. As for how long they are left to sit before doing pulls.. I let my jars sit for over a week. This ensures that a vast majority of your alkaloids have been based. Then I add 200ml naptha(lighter fluid) per expected gram of spice. I always expect 2% yeild(I'm generous ). So with 50g bark use 4-50ml naptha pulls, peferably preheated in a hot water bath or another SAFE method of heating the naptha, NO OPEN FLAMES. After the four pulls have been added together just evaporate as you would. I would highly suggest you evaporate 50%-66% of that and just freeze precipitation it in a sealed mason jar. This will minize smell and allow for A LOT cleaner crystals than evaporating completelu. If you freeze precip using this method then you need to freeze it until it grows extremely cloudy and then back to clear This will take several hours(8+). Once your ready to collect your crystals remove it from the freeze and QUICKLY pour off the naptha into a seperate container. You can reuse that naptha.
). So with 50g bark use 4-50ml naptha pulls, peferably preheated in a hot water bath or another SAFE method of heating the naptha, NO OPEN FLAMES. After the four pulls have been added together just evaporate as you would. I would highly suggest you evaporate 50%-66% of that and just freeze precipitation it in a sealed mason jar. This will minize smell and allow for A LOT cleaner crystals than evaporating completelu. If you freeze precip using this method then you need to freeze it until it grows extremely cloudy and then back to clear This will take several hours(8+). Once your ready to collect your crystals remove it from the freeze and QUICKLY pour off the naptha into a seperate container. You can reuse that naptha.
longshot
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Heya,
I figured this is kinda the "small questions thread".
One of my (ready-to-be-pulled) jars shattered because I didnt put anything beneath it in my bain-marie and another problem occured.
Long story short: I have a big cooking pot full of aqueous mix (around 4-5liters)(MHRB, salt, lye, water vinegar 8%). Is it okay to cook it down to a lower volume so I can pull it with solvent? Are the fumes/damp toxic?
I figured this is kinda the "small questions thread".
One of my (ready-to-be-pulled) jars shattered because I didnt put anything beneath it in my bain-marie and another problem occured.
Long story short: I have a big cooking pot full of aqueous mix (around 4-5liters)(MHRB, salt, lye, water vinegar 8%). Is it okay to cook it down to a lower volume so I can pull it with solvent? Are the fumes/damp toxic?
DreaMTripper
Rising Star
Lye fumes esp when heated are toxic yes I suggest splitting into seperate jars instead of heating reduction..safer.
Du57mi73
Rising Star
@long Is it a basic solution? If that's the case just either pour into jars and continue on. Or just pull the naptha right there, that's what id do.. Do not heat it. It will destroy your goods, causes toxic gases to be released, and ruin your batch.
Sorry to hear about your glassware. I've had a jar or two shatter in my day. I lost 10g while attempting to re-x it. Jars shatter in the sink, it all went down the drain. This always a learning process.
@oneeyed what is that?! Lol. I don't see any crystals or know what that even resembles. Lol. Tell us what yo did and we can help.
Sorry to hear about your glassware. I've had a jar or two shatter in my day. I lost 10g while attempting to re-x it. Jars shatter in the sink, it all went down the drain. This always a learning process.
@oneeyed what is that?! Lol. I don't see any crystals or know what that even resembles. Lol. Tell us what yo did and we can help.
DreaMTripper
Rising Star
OneEyeAscension said:Hi peeps,
I used the Q21Q21 extraction path and salted this goo out of the vegetable oil.
It doesn't look very nice, any thoughts on what it might be? Smells kind of like licorice...mmm...
Looks like a gum of some sort, quite odd but interesting.
Have you freebased it now?
Chaquah
Rising Star
Hi everyone,
A dutch tek describes the extraction without any acid cooking.
Basically its:
- mix 1.5 liter water with 100grams NAoH.
- let cool back to room temp and add 100 grams mimosa powder.
- let it rest for a day and stir sometimes.
- add 100ml nafta or white spirit, as nafta is hard to get in holland.
- turn jar upside down every now and then for another half a day (no shaking, allthough i dont know why).
- extract white spirit and put in freezer. (here i put baking paper in the small jars with extracted white spirit, for easier removal once frozen).
- after two extractions there are no more crystals left to be etracted.
once finished i would extract little more then a gram of yellowish crystals, and after recrystalizing, there´s about 0.6 grams left.
My question is: Is it important to do the acid cooking part ? It seems i´m getting pretty good yields this way.
I've included the before and after recrystalization pics.
A dutch tek describes the extraction without any acid cooking.
Basically its:
- mix 1.5 liter water with 100grams NAoH.
- let cool back to room temp and add 100 grams mimosa powder.
- let it rest for a day and stir sometimes.
- add 100ml nafta or white spirit, as nafta is hard to get in holland.
- turn jar upside down every now and then for another half a day (no shaking, allthough i dont know why).
- extract white spirit and put in freezer. (here i put baking paper in the small jars with extracted white spirit, for easier removal once frozen).
- after two extractions there are no more crystals left to be etracted.
once finished i would extract little more then a gram of yellowish crystals, and after recrystalizing, there´s about 0.6 grams left.
My question is: Is it important to do the acid cooking part ? It seems i´m getting pretty good yields this way.
I've included the before and after recrystalization pics.
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Du57mi73
Rising Star
Holy cow man. Good job. You're doing absolutely great without the acid step. Don't even worry about it. Its just a different method to achieve the same thing.
There is one problem with your method though. Do more than 2-100ml pulls. Id say do 4. First two after a day or so of sitting. The third one after a few days and the fourth after a week or so. Youl get closer to 1.7g before cleaning.
Also, your cleaning seems rather inefficient as you lost 40% of your product. How do you clean it? Just reabsorb it into clean soolvent and then freeze it again? If that's what you did then I would suggest after you absorb it into clean solvent, evaporate half of it and then freeze it. You'll lose a lot less.
Ps. What is white spirit?
There is one problem with your method though. Do more than 2-100ml pulls. Id say do 4. First two after a day or so of sitting. The third one after a few days and the fourth after a week or so. Youl get closer to 1.7g before cleaning.
Also, your cleaning seems rather inefficient as you lost 40% of your product. How do you clean it? Just reabsorb it into clean soolvent and then freeze it again? If that's what you did then I would suggest after you absorb it into clean solvent, evaporate half of it and then freeze it. You'll lose a lot less.
Ps. What is white spirit?
Chaquah
Rising Star
Thanks !
White spirit is also known as terpentine. Its apparantly about 99% nafta although it doesnt say so on the bottle. It does evaporate cleanly.
I also use coleman fuel. They both work equaly well.
Agreed i do lose a lot on recystralizing. I put the crystals in a glass cup, add terpentine and set the glass in a hot water bath and then just wait, without stirring at all.
Then pour of the liquid with the crystals and then freeze again. I do leave some liquid behind as i dont want any of the goo coming with it. The goo i then leave to dry and this probably sitll holds some crystals, so i could recystralize that again endlessly. Which i do
Ive ordered another kilo of mimosa so i will definately leave it to stand a little longer after the initial pulls.
Thanks !
Here some photos of recrystalization. (last photo should be third)
White spirit is also known as terpentine. Its apparantly about 99% nafta although it doesnt say so on the bottle. It does evaporate cleanly.
I also use coleman fuel. They both work equaly well.
Agreed i do lose a lot on recystralizing. I put the crystals in a glass cup, add terpentine and set the glass in a hot water bath and then just wait, without stirring at all.
Then pour of the liquid with the crystals and then freeze again. I do leave some liquid behind as i dont want any of the goo coming with it. The goo i then leave to dry and this probably sitll holds some crystals, so i could recystralize that again endlessly. Which i do
Ive ordered another kilo of mimosa so i will definately leave it to stand a little longer after the initial pulls.
Thanks !
Here some photos of recrystalization. (last photo should be third)
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Du57mi73
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I LOVE your drying dish. What's it traditionally used for?
I hear good things from turpentine, but I stick the naptha.
You're absolutely right about your goo left over. It still has a lot of spice in it. So if you don't care about loss and just want pure product then you're doing the right thing. But you should embrace the goo! Lol. Id leave it slightly yellow if it means yeilding 40% more. Lol. It does not have to be completely white. Yellow is good too. Lol. As long as it isn't just a dripping mess.
I hear good things from turpentine, but I stick the naptha.
You're absolutely right about your goo left over. It still has a lot of spice in it. So if you don't care about loss and just want pure product then you're doing the right thing. But you should embrace the goo! Lol. Id leave it slightly yellow if it means yeilding 40% more. Lol. It does not have to be completely white. Yellow is good too. Lol. As long as it isn't just a dripping mess.
Chaquah
Rising Star
Thanks. I have no idea what its used for, i also have a larger sized one. I love them too, they're really handy for pouring off fluids and leaving goo behind.
I was thinking i had to try and get it as white as possible. But i also read that some people actually prefer it a little yellow. Perhaps i should try and see where it takes me. Is there nothing hazardous left in the goo that should not be inhaled ? When i extract the terpentine from the mimosa and NaOh, I am very carefull to make sure no black stuff comes along then. So my initial extraction is allready clean. Im pretty sure there is no NAoH in it.
Can't wait for the next batch to arrive. I'm making much more then I could possibly consume, but I find the extraction proces is a very relaxing and rewarding activity. As is making 'the machine'. I've made about 8 now.
I also grow mimosa in the growtent that I once used for weeds. But that's a different story.
I was thinking i had to try and get it as white as possible. But i also read that some people actually prefer it a little yellow. Perhaps i should try and see where it takes me. Is there nothing hazardous left in the goo that should not be inhaled ? When i extract the terpentine from the mimosa and NaOh, I am very carefull to make sure no black stuff comes along then. So my initial extraction is allready clean. Im pretty sure there is no NAoH in it.
Can't wait for the next batch to arrive. I'm making much more then I could possibly consume, but I find the extraction proces is a very relaxing and rewarding activity. As is making 'the machine'. I've made about 8 now.
I also grow mimosa in the growtent that I once used for weeds. But that's a different story.
Du57mi73
Rising Star
The process is very relaxing and rewarding. B-)
As for NaOH being in you're final product I have a few things to say. First, naoh being in your final product means that your final product would have some brown/black discoloration. Given your solid white/yellow color, you are at no risk of naoh contamination. Second, even IF it had NaOH in it still, it will not vaporize under a lighter flame at all. It cannot be smoked. Kinda like trying to smoke a pebble. It just ain't happenin. Third, if you did have a small amount of base soup slip through, what I do is transfer all my np solvent to a different vessel to let it sit over night. What this does is allow all the residual microparticles of base soup that are in your naptha settle to the bottom. I then transfer to my evap pan. Or I repeat the previous step another time. Works GREAT to eliminate naoh contam.
As for yellow. That yellow is plant oils. Plant oils do not harm your body to smoke in any significant amount(high cholestorol? Lol). What it does is slightly protect the dmt as a buffer to reduce the heat so it doesn't burn the dmt as much. Not to mention that some say that there are other plant alkaloids/oils that potentiate or help remove unwanted effects, but that's conjecture.
As for NaOH being in you're final product I have a few things to say. First, naoh being in your final product means that your final product would have some brown/black discoloration. Given your solid white/yellow color, you are at no risk of naoh contamination. Second, even IF it had NaOH in it still, it will not vaporize under a lighter flame at all. It cannot be smoked. Kinda like trying to smoke a pebble. It just ain't happenin. Third, if you did have a small amount of base soup slip through, what I do is transfer all my np solvent to a different vessel to let it sit over night. What this does is allow all the residual microparticles of base soup that are in your naptha settle to the bottom. I then transfer to my evap pan. Or I repeat the previous step another time. Works GREAT to eliminate naoh contam.
As for yellow. That yellow is plant oils. Plant oils do not harm your body to smoke in any significant amount(high cholestorol? Lol). What it does is slightly protect the dmt as a buffer to reduce the heat so it doesn't burn the dmt as much. Not to mention that some say that there are other plant alkaloids/oils that potentiate or help remove unwanted effects, but that's conjecture.
thecrystalkid
Rising Star
you say the water does need heating but the lye also heats itself then you say hot water is not good, which i can understand (an old boss in a restaurant once chucked a tub of caustic soda down a drain, in the kitchen, the resultant water spout hit the ceiling with full force and burnt his arm, cos the drain water was hot we imagined). so just warm the water you add the lye to? but if it heats itselfis that needed? i won't add mhrb till fully dissolved. do you think outdoors for the lye plus water plus mhrb will be ok and i take it you don't screw the top on tight? i have one 2.5 litre re-agent bottle that i'll use for the chacruna (see below) and one glass bottle for 50 g mhrb. i have a plastic cap for the bottle but if it doesn't need to be tight i can rest glass on it.Du57mi73 said:
As for how long they are left to sit before doing pulls.. I let my jars sit for over a week. This ensures that a vast majority of your alkaloids have been based. Then I add 200ml naptha(lighter fluid) per expected gram of spice. I always expect 2% yeild(I'm generous
thanks again...so leave a week then do 4 pulls one after the other 5-10 mins a piece over an hour or so? or 4 pulls over the week? (every 2 days). or leave a week do one pull then daily every two days after that?
ok evap 50-60% using the fan method, not on low heat? i have a crockpot i could put outdoors on low? no need for sodium bicarb wash and water wash? solvent wash after i have collected all crystal? i guess the crystals just form on the bottom like underwater mountains?
also have 100g of old brown chacruna that i'm not gonna boil up. might as well see if there's anything worth extracting so will use same method except different containers.
many thanks Du57mi73
if you or anyone can answer q's i would be gratefull, peace and have a good un! :thumb_up:
Du57mi73
Rising Star
I do not know anything about chacruna. Sorry.
I appologize. I ment to say that the water does NOT need to be heated.
As for your 4th pull, id say just use 50ml solvent.
Not not heat your solvent if it has dmt in it. It will destroy it.
I was suggesting you reduce your naptha with dmt in it by _pan evap with a fan for freeze precip. If you're not freeze precipitating then just evap it all. Ttheres no need for a water/soda carb wash if you do what I said about seperating the solvent and letting it settle over night. Some people say it removes some yellow. I have never noticed a difference.
Leaving the lid off/loose is good. If you want it to be more white then you can do a re-x. I really wouldn't worry about it. Yellow spice is good.
I appologize. I ment to say that the water does NOT need to be heated.
As for your 4th pull, id say just use 50ml solvent.
Not not heat your solvent if it has dmt in it. It will destroy it.
I was suggesting you reduce your naptha with dmt in it by _pan evap with a fan for freeze precip. If you're not freeze precipitating then just evap it all. Ttheres no need for a water/soda carb wash if you do what I said about seperating the solvent and letting it settle over night. Some people say it removes some yellow. I have never noticed a difference.
Leaving the lid off/loose is good. If you want it to be more white then you can do a re-x. I really wouldn't worry about it. Yellow spice is good.
thecrystalkid
Rising Star
Du57mi73 said:
thats great man. just missing one point, soz, i'm still unclear on time between pulls? 1 week then 4 pulls right after each other? i'll do a freeze precip after a fan, be quicker afterall.
i could be wrong but you never said anything about the bold above, to me at least, ive checked all posts on this page too. you're saying after i pour the naptha off, let it stand overnight and then pour off again? sorry for more questions, reckon i could figure something out from here. so you just pour off the naptha, after a freeze, and good to go? that should be it, promish8)
