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dooby
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So I've done some toluene pulls on basic soup that has already yielded 1.68%...
For a total of 400 ml of toluene I prepared 3 bottles with 25 ml of vinegar each...
After each wash, how long should I wait before decanting the toluene into the next bottle?
Upon separation? After an hour?
I tried moving the toluene from one bottle to another a few minutes after separation, but in the third bottle it stays cloudy...
Do I need to use more vinegar or do I need to let it sit longer to settle? Maybe both?
Thank you, whoever you are, for your swift reply
For a total of 400 ml of toluene I prepared 3 bottles with 25 ml of vinegar each...
After each wash, how long should I wait before decanting the toluene into the next bottle?
Upon separation? After an hour?
I tried moving the toluene from one bottle to another a few minutes after separation, but in the third bottle it stays cloudy...
Do I need to use more vinegar or do I need to let it sit longer to settle? Maybe both?
Thank you, whoever you are, for your swift reply
Ideally, you want your pull not to be cloudy when you pull it. The cloudiness will clear given time, (i.e. 1-2 days) but if you grab a cloudy pull it may not be the end of the world. A cloudy pull may contain constituents of the basic soup which you may not want. For what you're planning to do, i.e. salt it with an acid, i do not see a particular problem.
hello im from within the eu and would like to try it out
since Acacia Confusa is only importable from the usa i wanted to ask what kind of plant i could use as an alternative , which i can buy from like the uk or netherlands and which will give nice results THX
since Acacia Confusa is only importable from the usa i wanted to ask what kind of plant i could use as an alternative , which i can buy from like the uk or netherlands and which will give nice results THX
Du57mi73
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Your sentence didn't really make sense... but I can try to answer what I think it means. Do you mean to say you added a little more water after you based it? I think you're saying you just have too much water. You can reduce the amount of water if you have a lot of base at your disposal because reducing the amount of water would entitle acidifying the solution again, then reduce it by boiling it down, then re basifying it. You cannot boil it down if it is a basic solution, you will destroy your spice. If you're having trouble with emulsion I would suggest adding 10-20g more lye and seeing if that helps. If you have too much water for your container then split it up into multiple jars and do it seperately. If you just want to work with what you got, just give it time. Its going to need alittle more base to reach the desired ph, but it'll do just fine.
sadbuttrue
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so i was following the popular erowid dmt extraction guidelines (here: Erowid DMT Vaults : Extraction : QT's DMT Extraction Guide) to try to extract dmt from phalaras arundicea. i was using naphtha as my solvent, phosphoric-acid based 'ph down' as my acidifier, and was planning to use lye to base.
in the tek's step 5/6, I went through the 'defat' step and was unsure if the green globules i was seeing was fat, and if i wanted to remove it. The naphtha rose to the top of the solution as the tek said, and most of the green globules were in this layer, though they were at the bottom of it (almost looking separate), above the acidified distlled water.
Then when I checked on here to see what was up, I saw this thread: Phalaris Tek - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
.. which suggests i was supposed to basify before i defat. SO now I'm wondering whether I should basify, continue per the tek i was originally using, or abandon ship lol. to be clear, right now i'm sitting with a mix of naphtha + acidified distilled water holding the 'tea' (extracted alkaloids) from a bunch of phalaris arundicea.
in the tek's step 5/6, I went through the 'defat' step and was unsure if the green globules i was seeing was fat, and if i wanted to remove it. The naphtha rose to the top of the solution as the tek said, and most of the green globules were in this layer, though they were at the bottom of it (almost looking separate), above the acidified distlled water.
Then when I checked on here to see what was up, I saw this thread: Phalaris Tek - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
.. which suggests i was supposed to basify before i defat. SO now I'm wondering whether I should basify, continue per the tek i was originally using, or abandon ship lol. to be clear, right now i'm sitting with a mix of naphtha + acidified distilled water holding the 'tea' (extracted alkaloids) from a bunch of phalaris arundicea.
sadbuttrue
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good to know
should i try to take the top of the naphtha off of or just add the base? also.. the tek says to defat 3 times (prior to basifying). is that necessary? and where does that fit since i'm sort of changing the gameplan relative to my original tek?
should i try to take the top of the naphtha off of or just add the base? also.. the tek says to defat 3 times (prior to basifying). is that necessary? and where does that fit since i'm sort of changing the gameplan relative to my original tek?
sadbuttrue
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maybe a better way to explain it...
I'm hearing 3 slightly different variations on the same thing.
1) the initial tek itself, the erowid one in the first link I posted. it says to defat, then basify. that tek was written around MHRB (some sort of mimosa root bark, i think), but said the same process would work for phalaris and says that the de-fatting isn't actually necessary with the rootbark, just sources that contain photosynthetic cells (ie grass and leaves, which does of course mean i have to do it).
2) in the version of the tek mentioned in #1 i was reading, some other user/'expert'/person wh o has done this offers commentary and technical corrections to the tek. One of which is that 'the author suggests this tek would work for phalaris arundicea, a grass. extracting dmt from phalaras is a chore in and of itself requiring a wholly separate tek.' so at least this one guy who thinks he knows what he's talking about thinks that the tek in #1 won't work for phalaris. I'm not sure if the link I posted has this commentary, but if you google 'dmt extraction' its the #1 hit.
3) the second link i posted is a phalaris specific tek that mostly mirrors what i did in #1 except the basify step is before defatting.
being 100% inexperienced, I'm unsure which "internet expert" opinion to believe. however, if i can just basify with the solvent in there anyway as you suggest, perhaps it makes little to no differece.
I'm hearing 3 slightly different variations on the same thing.
1) the initial tek itself, the erowid one in the first link I posted. it says to defat, then basify. that tek was written around MHRB (some sort of mimosa root bark, i think), but said the same process would work for phalaris and says that the de-fatting isn't actually necessary with the rootbark, just sources that contain photosynthetic cells (ie grass and leaves, which does of course mean i have to do it).
2) in the version of the tek mentioned in #1 i was reading, some other user/'expert'/person wh o has done this offers commentary and technical corrections to the tek. One of which is that 'the author suggests this tek would work for phalaris arundicea, a grass. extracting dmt from phalaras is a chore in and of itself requiring a wholly separate tek.' so at least this one guy who thinks he knows what he's talking about thinks that the tek in #1 won't work for phalaris. I'm not sure if the link I posted has this commentary, but if you google 'dmt extraction' its the #1 hit.
3) the second link i posted is a phalaris specific tek that mostly mirrors what i did in #1 except the basify step is before defatting.
being 100% inexperienced, I'm unsure which "internet expert" opinion to believe. however, if i can just basify with the solvent in there anyway as you suggest, perhaps it makes little to no differece.
The Unknowing
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Hi erryone,
Did a 300g ACRB extraction...
1)Did 5x Acid boils until the water no longer changed color with vinegar then reduced
2)Basified with excess sodium carbonate (till no more dissolved)
3)Added 80g of white salt and dissolved
4)Did multiple pulls with d-limonene till it no longer changed color
5)Salted Limonene with vinegar until vinegar no longer changed color
6)Evaporated vinegar and was left with goo
7)Basified goo with excess sodium carbonate and added hot lighter fluid until a noticable portion of the goo was dissolved almost immediately with a little stirring
8.Separated lighter fluid and put it in a collection glass jar to be put in the freezer with the next non-polar pull
9)The naptha got very cloudy and resembled expired milk. I waited till the naptha was clear and sediment had collected at the bottom of the jar (48+ hours) and poured off the solvent and dried the inside of the jar with a fan.
10)Was left with a clear sticky layer at the bottom of the jar which was barely worth weighing, so I sprinkled some salvia leaf in the jar and scraped it around to get all the goodies. If I would have to guess it would have been around 150mg worth...
I Smoalked it and was blown apart and realised we are in a very complex geometric matrix- but is very disappointed with the yield! I tried another pull with hot lighter fluid on the basic soup with no success so I'm really worried! I know this is potent ACRB because I took 9g for ayahuasca and it was very profound.
Any halp would be very appreciated!
Thanks
Did a 300g ACRB extraction...
1)Did 5x Acid boils until the water no longer changed color with vinegar then reduced
2)Basified with excess sodium carbonate (till no more dissolved)
3)Added 80g of white salt and dissolved
4)Did multiple pulls with d-limonene till it no longer changed color
5)Salted Limonene with vinegar until vinegar no longer changed color
6)Evaporated vinegar and was left with goo
7)Basified goo with excess sodium carbonate and added hot lighter fluid until a noticable portion of the goo was dissolved almost immediately with a little stirring
8.Separated lighter fluid and put it in a collection glass jar to be put in the freezer with the next non-polar pull
9)The naptha got very cloudy and resembled expired milk. I waited till the naptha was clear and sediment had collected at the bottom of the jar (48+ hours) and poured off the solvent and dried the inside of the jar with a fan.
10)Was left with a clear sticky layer at the bottom of the jar which was barely worth weighing, so I sprinkled some salvia leaf in the jar and scraped it around to get all the goodies. If I would have to guess it would have been around 150mg worth...
I Smoalked it and was blown apart and realised we are in a very complex geometric matrix- but is very disappointed with the yield! I tried another pull with hot lighter fluid on the basic soup with no success so I'm really worried! I know this is potent ACRB because I took 9g for ayahuasca and it was very profound.
Any halp would be very appreciated!
Thanks
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Du57mi73
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Sadbuttrue, the purpose of a defat is to remove the plant oils without removing the alkaloids you're trying to obtain. When you defat it needs to be in an acidic state. If it were in a basic state then it wouldn't work because the freebased alkaloids would follow the oils. Which is the opposite of what you're trying to do.
OneEyedAscension, I don't think you reached a high enough ph the first time you added soda carb.
OneEyedAscension, I don't think you reached a high enough ph the first time you added soda carb.
Yeah I add more base, lye if you have any, otherwise calcium hydroxide if you have any (so that it reacts with sodium carbonate and form lye), or at least more sodium carbonate.
Also why are you going through all the trouble of using limonene if afterwards you are using lighter fluid?
Lastly, always weigh, even if you`re infusing herbs, because goo amount is always misleading, it seems like there is just a little but it usually is more than we think.
Also why are you going through all the trouble of using limonene if afterwards you are using lighter fluid?
Lastly, always weigh, even if you`re infusing herbs, because goo amount is always misleading, it seems like there is just a little but it usually is more than we think.
The Unknowing
Life is a dream, the heart a compass
I did add lye until it went black. Did another pull and nothing.
I only use lighter fluid for recrystalisation because its very expensive where I'm from.
I only use lighter fluid for recrystalisation because its very expensive where I'm from.
Du57mi73
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Try a different tek and see what your results are. You may be getting a decent amount in goo and not realizing it as endless said, or something else may be happening. Were not sure. If you have all the materials anyway, try a different method and see if you yeild anything.
Do you still have your original d-limonene pulls and your original reduced vinegar? That's where your spice is going to be, not the vinegar you used to salt the d-limonene.
Do you still have your original d-limonene pulls and your original reduced vinegar? That's where your spice is going to be, not the vinegar you used to salt the d-limonene.
shanedudddy2
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Zippo is expensive, yeah!
For next time, I'd suggest rather than backsalting, simply evaporate the D-Limonene, scrape the goo, and dissolve in hot Zippo (shotglass in a hot water bath). Mix until the Zippo is bubbling a bit.
Then let it sit until some of the fats drop out, and the solution begins to cloud, transfer the liquid to another jar and freeze precip that.
I`d also suggest using NaOh(lye)
I`ve had suuuuch missed results with confusa, that I gave up on it. Mimosa ftw.
For next time, I'd suggest rather than backsalting, simply evaporate the D-Limonene, scrape the goo, and dissolve in hot Zippo (shotglass in a hot water bath). Mix until the Zippo is bubbling a bit.
Then let it sit until some of the fats drop out, and the solution begins to cloud, transfer the liquid to another jar and freeze precip that.
I`d also suggest using NaOh(lye)
I`ve had suuuuch missed results with confusa, that I gave up on it. Mimosa ftw.
The Unknowing
Life is a dream, the heart a compass
Du57mi73 said:
Yeah I checked the d-limonene and a layer of white goo had settled at the bottom. This turned out to be a bit more spice (but not very much). I'm trying again with the original vinegar at the moment.
Koblizek
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Ohai, this is my first post to this forum, so I hope I won't break any rules. Also, english isn't my native language, so there may be some grammar errors.
Well, I wanna try DMT for the first time in my life, I only have some experience with smoking weed. I'm not an alcohol drinker nor do I take any other drugs. I've seen this tek and I wanna try using it. Will it do? Thank you
EDIT: Also, can I use ACRB instead of MHRB when following Orion's tek?
Well, I wanna try DMT for the first time in my life, I only have some experience with smoking weed. I'm not an alcohol drinker nor do I take any other drugs. I've seen this tek and I wanna try using it. Will it do? Thank you
EDIT: Also, can I use ACRB instead of MHRB when following Orion's tek?
