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with naptha it needs to be saturated for an impressive freeze precipitation, evaporation or distilling off of naptha to concentrate or super saturate the ratio of dmt/naptha and room temperature precipitation and crystal formation can be observed, very neat.
light blowing on the surface will "produce" a "cloud" of dmt within the liquid and is a good indicator that freezing will work.
also i find that a smaller glass jar or bottle with air tight or close lid is preferable to wide baking dish (for me anyway) helping concentrate formation in a small defined area. lid keeps condensation out and solvent in. i for one am not trying or wanting evaporation taking place in my freezer.
how your solvent affects this unknown, but acidic water mixed and pulled off will capture the alkaloids into it and re-based and pulled with a different solvent, if the original one did indeed pull any out.
light blowing on the surface will "produce" a "cloud" of dmt within the liquid and is a good indicator that freezing will work.
also i find that a smaller glass jar or bottle with air tight or close lid is preferable to wide baking dish (for me anyway) helping concentrate formation in a small defined area. lid keeps condensation out and solvent in. i for one am not trying or wanting evaporation taking place in my freezer.
how your solvent affects this unknown, but acidic water mixed and pulled off will capture the alkaloids into it and re-based and pulled with a different solvent, if the original one did indeed pull any out.
Thespiritmolecule
Rising Star
Hello,
I followed the cybs salt tek several times, but i run into the same problem everytime.
When i am in the phase of adding the solvent it seems to go wrong.
I add the 50ml of naptha (zippo lighter fluid) to the base soup, i shake the bottle for about 20 to 30 seconds and afterwards i put the bottle in a pan with heated water (50 to 55 degrees)
The naptha seperates within an hour, but i lose a lot of naptha in this progress, atleast half of the naptha seems to be gone.
After the naptha is seperated i shake the bottle again and wait for a while, everytime i repeat this process it seems to get worse and i lose more naptha.
I also looked for any build up emulsion beneath the naptha layer, but that doesn't seem to be the problem.
Can someone help me with this problem, what goes wrong in this process, why do i lose so much naptha?
Thanks in advance!
Greetings,
Thespiritmolecule
I followed the cybs salt tek several times, but i run into the same problem everytime.
When i am in the phase of adding the solvent it seems to go wrong.
I add the 50ml of naptha (zippo lighter fluid) to the base soup, i shake the bottle for about 20 to 30 seconds and afterwards i put the bottle in a pan with heated water (50 to 55 degrees)
The naptha seperates within an hour, but i lose a lot of naptha in this progress, atleast half of the naptha seems to be gone.
After the naptha is seperated i shake the bottle again and wait for a while, everytime i repeat this process it seems to get worse and i lose more naptha.
I also looked for any build up emulsion beneath the naptha layer, but that doesn't seem to be the problem.
Can someone help me with this problem, what goes wrong in this process, why do i lose so much naptha?
Thanks in advance!
Greetings,
Thespiritmolecule
Thespiritmolecule said:
You're losing so much naphtha because it's warm enough to evaporate.
You don't need to let the naphtha sit for long. Once it has stabilised and no emulsions, you can pull. The ideal amount of naphtha is 10% of the volume of your base soup.
downwardsfromzero
Boundary condition
You'll have to be a little clearer. It's far from obvious What procedure you want to find out about.Piglet said:
downwardsfromzero
Boundary condition
You may have used too much solvent for that small amount of bark. Re-extract the base soup with a smaller amount of the naphtha you've taken out of the freezer.Piglet said:Hi all. So my question is this: I tried extracting using Noman's Tek but used "Turpentine Mineral spirit thinner type 1" instead of Naptha - says "Naptha (petroleum) hydrodeslfurized heavy" on the label. After seperating the layers i placed it in the freezer over night and nothing happened. Should i keep it there? for how long? Tek says results should be seen in the morning after.
I used 20g MHRB powdered, this is my first try ever
Another possibility is that the naphtha contains aromatics (i.e. toluene and isomers of xylene) which do not freeze precipitate.
In both cases you can recover alkaloids as the acetates by extracting into white vinegar. If you require freebase the standard procedures can be followed.
Thespiritmolecule
Rising Star
Hello Philisopher and other travellers,
I solved the problem with these two adjustments in the extracting process:
1: Temperature was way too high; i lowered the temperature to 45 to 50 degrees
2: I shaked the bottle too vigorously; from now on i am twisting the bottle for 5 seconds and then twist it back so the naptha (in a smooth way) touches all the base soup
After i done this i didn't lose any naptha in the process, the seperation went very smoothly.
My first pull contained a nice amount of DMT and is nice and white, so i am very happy with this result.
Thanks for your help, it is greatly appreciated!
Greetings,
Thespiritmolecule
I solved the problem with these two adjustments in the extracting process:
1: Temperature was way too high; i lowered the temperature to 45 to 50 degrees
2: I shaked the bottle too vigorously; from now on i am twisting the bottle for 5 seconds and then twist it back so the naptha (in a smooth way) touches all the base soup
After i done this i didn't lose any naptha in the process, the seperation went very smoothly.
My first pull contained a nice amount of DMT and is nice and white, so i am very happy with this result.
Thanks for your help, it is greatly appreciated!
Greetings,
Thespiritmolecule
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You may have used too much solvent for that small amount of bark. Re-extract the base soup with a smaller amount of the naphtha you've taken out of the freezer.
Another possibility is that the naphtha contains aromatics (i.e. toluene and isomers of xylene) which do not freeze precipitate.
In both cases you can recover alkaloids as the acetates by extracting into white vinegar. If you require freebase the standard procedures can be followed.[/quote]
I have used a ratio of 1:1 ml solvent per gr mhrb (as mentioned in Noman's tek). I started all over, same amounts but this time i used Zippo lighter fluid. 2 days in the freezer now, nothing happened :\
You may have used too much solvent for that small amount of bark. Re-extract the base soup with a smaller amount of the naphtha you've taken out of the freezer.
Another possibility is that the naphtha contains aromatics (i.e. toluene and isomers of xylene) which do not freeze precipitate.
In both cases you can recover alkaloids as the acetates by extracting into white vinegar. If you require freebase the standard procedures can be followed.[/quote]
I have used a ratio of 1:1 ml solvent per gr mhrb (as mentioned in Noman's tek). I started all over, same amounts but this time i used Zippo lighter fluid. 2 days in the freezer now, nothing happened :\
downwardsfromzero
Boundary condition
Roughly 700g of mhrb was boiled for 5hrs on high heat. Multiple pulls were done on high heat with water(no acid) and collected in a seperate pot for reduction. After cooling 1/3 of the fluid was put in a mason jar,salt was added(no iodine) and basified(koh). A mixture of 50:50 xylene/naphtha was added, heated, and allowed to sit in the jar for a few weeks. The naphtha was collected and evaporated to yield a negligible amount of goo. The bark is potent so this yield is unacceptable. I added a lot more base in hopes the ph is simply too low. What do you think the problem is nexus?
Normally any TEK advise adjusting the water to pH ~ 3. But actually it is true that upon heating the bark it also acidifies the water to like pH 3,5. As you did not add acid manually, that could be changed in the future, but still that should not be the problem.
Was there any reason that you used also Xylene? It pulls more, but instead of Xylene I would advise just pulling more often with Naphtha. Xylene always produces goo. But still no explanation for too less goo.
If the pH is correct should also be visible from colour. Acidic bark soup = dark red like red wine. Upon switching to basic it becomes first grey then plain dark. But as you added KOH and no acid beforehand you should definetly be in a alkaline range.
Last but not least you did 1 very long extraction with Naphtha:Xylene. Although it is nice to wait longer and just let it sit, there is a maximum where the equilibrium between aqueous soup and NPS (non polar solvent) occurs. And from this time no further uptake into the NPS is given. Normally you would think that all Spice will turn over into the NPS if you just wait long enough.
But every compound has a partition coefficient. Even NaCl should theoretically have a partition coefficient between water and naphtha, it is just practically 0 on the Naphtha side.
So by doing just 1 extraction you will never get all your goodies out of your soup. Then I would do more, but as it seems you do this right now. But still: even if doing only 1 extraction this should already yield like 70% + of your total goodies, depending on solvent
Was there any reason that you used also Xylene? It pulls more, but instead of Xylene I would advise just pulling more often with Naphtha. Xylene always produces goo. But still no explanation for too less goo.
If the pH is correct should also be visible from colour. Acidic bark soup = dark red like red wine. Upon switching to basic it becomes first grey then plain dark. But as you added KOH and no acid beforehand you should definetly be in a alkaline range.
Last but not least you did 1 very long extraction with Naphtha:Xylene. Although it is nice to wait longer and just let it sit, there is a maximum where the equilibrium between aqueous soup and NPS (non polar solvent) occurs. And from this time no further uptake into the NPS is given. Normally you would think that all Spice will turn over into the NPS if you just wait long enough.
But every compound has a partition coefficient. Even NaCl should theoretically have a partition coefficient between water and naphtha, it is just practically 0 on the Naphtha side.
So by doing just 1 extraction you will never get all your goodies out of your soup. Then I would do more, but as it seems you do this right now. But still: even if doing only 1 extraction this should already yield like 70% + of your total goodies, depending on solvent
I can reboil the bark. I take a rod and swirl the polar and nonpolar phase. I only have ph strips so i cannot accurately measure the ph of this thick black fluid. I left it sitting long because i was under the impression it could do no harm. Ive worked with this bark before yields roughly 1%.
pete666
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I am a STB guy, my last A/B is about 15 years back, so maybe someone else could help you better, but...
I am not sure what is pH of your material. So adding some acid is probably safer. Moreover it may help to break up the material for better result.
Sufficient mixing of np with water soup is crucial. The more the better. Of course, beware of the emulsions, it is much better to do first extraction with unknown bark with small amount of MHRB and mix as much as possible. If strong mixing causes emulsion, next extraction mixing has to be done more carefully, but for much longer.
If you don't know the pH, are you sure you added enough base?
Leaving it sitting is not bad, it is just of no value.
So you worked before with this bark and got 1%? If you previously used the same technique and chemicals, then it might point to the bark. How you know it is the same?
I am not sure what is pH of your material. So adding some acid is probably safer. Moreover it may help to break up the material for better result.
Sufficient mixing of np with water soup is crucial. The more the better. Of course, beware of the emulsions, it is much better to do first extraction with unknown bark with small amount of MHRB and mix as much as possible. If strong mixing causes emulsion, next extraction mixing has to be done more carefully, but for much longer.
If you don't know the pH, are you sure you added enough base?
Leaving it sitting is not bad, it is just of no value.
So you worked before with this bark and got 1%? If you previously used the same technique and chemicals, then it might point to the bark. How you know it is the same?
Tranquil Flow
Rising Star
Hey all!
So I've been vising this site for a while now and recently have attempted to extract some spice of my own. I ran into issues with one, while the other had a much lower yield than expected, so I'm hoping to find some guidance on how to proceed. Any help is much appreciated ❤ I've added [Q's] next to things I'm uncertain about and would like a reply on if anyone has the info.
For both attempts I used Earthwalker's ACRB Tek (ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus). Ingredients used were:
- Demineralised Water
- Acacia Confusa Root Bark (Powdered)
- Table Salt
- White Vinegar
- Caustic Soda
- Extraction A: Acetone
- Extraction B: Shellite
Extraction A
I followed the guide, then got to the Clean Up Steps, Step 3 after you have added your pulls of solvent to acidic water. Here, I ran into the issue of the liquid not separating into 2 layers. The liquid is also a golden colour... which I don't think is right. There was lots of suspended white particles floating about in it. I tried researching how to fix this and came across something saying to keep adding loads of lye and/or salt... I ended up putting a whole bunch in, but it never seperated. Any idea on what has happened here? [Q1] I've left it a few weeks now and it still has a similar golden colour, but now has a layer of red stuff on the bottom. Any recommendations on how to proceed would be great. [Q2]
Pre-pulling the solvent.
Layers not separating.
Trying to get a shot of the suspended particles.
After a few weeks.
Issues:
- During the Cleanup Step 2, in which the solvent is being mixed with acidic water, I shook this quite hard... and then read you are not supposed to do this :shock: Serves me right for not double and triple checking/reading ahead.
- I used half the materials for everything, hoping to use less material in the case of failure. However, I was reading in a thread somewhere (can't remember where exactly at this point), that you can't just double everything - this leads me to believe you can't just halve everything either. In the FAQ though, it says you can scale up/down, so I'm not sure if this is actually an issue. [Q3]
Extraction B
I followed the guide...
Step 1: Warm Acid Bath
Then added salt in Step 2.
Step 3: Warm Alkaline Bath - mixture went black as described in the Tek.
Step 4: Added the Shellite, mixing, letting separate and then repeating multiple times.
Step 4: I took 5 lots of Shellite pulls and put them into a jar. Image shows the microscopic bits of base soup that the Tek mentions.
CLEANUP STEPS:
Step 1 + 2: Added vinegar + water to the jar, resulting in the solvent going cloudy white. I then mixed the two layers together for 15 minutes. I did not notice a 'brown fatty substance' as alluded to in the Tek, this could perhaps be because the ACRB I am using was very finely powdered? [Q4]
Step 3: I siphoned out the top layer and set it aside (just in case it will be useful/I fucked up)
Step 4: I made an alkaline solution and added it to the acidic water, resulting in it going cloudy white as described in the Tek.
I added water as well and the liquid went to being clear, with a little bit of brown stuff floating around on the top.
Step 5: I added Shellite, once again mixing (this time shaking heavily, as the Tek says "shaking won't cause an emulsion", is this OK? [Q5]) and letting settle multiple times before pulling the Shellite out onto a tray. When pulling into a Turkey Baster, it did not turn "white and thick as soon as it hits the [siphoner]"... is this OK? [Q6] The pulls were crystal clear when placed into the precipitation tray though. I also kept the liquid in the jars.
Step 6: I pre-evaped manually by waving it with some paper (would have used fan but circumstances meant this is all I had available at the time). The shellite didn't go milky... but I waited until it was half evaporated, then wrapped in glad wrap multiple layers and put it into a freezer.
Step 7: I took the tray out of the freezer, pouring off the excess Shellite to be stored for later use. I immediately placed it on its side and blasted it with a fan for 1.5 hours.
I ended up with some crystals...
, but upon scraping and weighing I only got 0.07 grams. :?: So I must have not picked up the DMT at some stage... I'm thinking there could be some left in the Shellite I poured off after pulling it out of the freezer? [Q7]
In general really just trying to understand why I did get such a low yield. Still yet to confirm the final product is DMT, but it sure looks like it, smells like it and will be testing soon to check it is it.
Issues:
- Containers were not 100% watertight! When mixing liquids in them, a small amount would leak out
- Possible issue: After Step 3, I waited overnight before continuing with the Tek. At the time I did some searching and found posts indicating this is ok to do [Q8], I'm hoping this didn't have an effect.
I feel like I'm asking so many questions in one post! Wanted to ask properly though so I've included everything I did as well as photos, so hopefully someone can help me out. Once again, much appreciation if anyone can. Cheers.
Edit: Images aren't showing up, despite the links being wrapped in the
So I've been vising this site for a while now and recently have attempted to extract some spice of my own. I ran into issues with one, while the other had a much lower yield than expected, so I'm hoping to find some guidance on how to proceed. Any help is much appreciated ❤ I've added [Q's] next to things I'm uncertain about and would like a reply on if anyone has the info.
For both attempts I used Earthwalker's ACRB Tek (ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus). Ingredients used were:
- Demineralised Water
- Acacia Confusa Root Bark (Powdered)
- Table Salt
- White Vinegar
- Caustic Soda
- Extraction A: Acetone
- Extraction B: Shellite
Extraction A
I followed the guide, then got to the Clean Up Steps, Step 3 after you have added your pulls of solvent to acidic water. Here, I ran into the issue of the liquid not separating into 2 layers. The liquid is also a golden colour... which I don't think is right. There was lots of suspended white particles floating about in it. I tried researching how to fix this and came across something saying to keep adding loads of lye and/or salt... I ended up putting a whole bunch in, but it never seperated. Any idea on what has happened here? [Q1] I've left it a few weeks now and it still has a similar golden colour, but now has a layer of red stuff on the bottom. Any recommendations on how to proceed would be great. [Q2]
Issues:
- During the Cleanup Step 2, in which the solvent is being mixed with acidic water, I shook this quite hard... and then read you are not supposed to do this :shock: Serves me right for not double and triple checking/reading ahead.
- I used half the materials for everything, hoping to use less material in the case of failure. However, I was reading in a thread somewhere (can't remember where exactly at this point), that you can't just double everything - this leads me to believe you can't just halve everything either. In the FAQ though, it says you can scale up/down, so I'm not sure if this is actually an issue. [Q3]
Extraction B
I followed the guide...
Then added salt in Step 2.
CLEANUP STEPS:
Step 3: I siphoned out the top layer and set it aside (just in case it will be useful/I fucked up)
I ended up with some crystals...
In general really just trying to understand why I did get such a low yield. Still yet to confirm the final product is DMT, but it sure looks like it, smells like it and will be testing soon to check it is it.
Issues:
- Containers were not 100% watertight! When mixing liquids in them, a small amount would leak out
- Possible issue: After Step 3, I waited overnight before continuing with the Tek. At the time I did some searching and found posts indicating this is ok to do [Q8], I'm hoping this didn't have an effect.
I feel like I'm asking so many questions in one post! Wanted to ask properly though so I've included everything I did as well as photos, so hopefully someone can help me out. Once again, much appreciation if anyone can. Cheers.
Edit: Images aren't showing up, despite the links being wrapped in the
StarButterfly
Rising Star
I try to extract harmala. On a step 10 wiki guide, after 2 hours in the refrigerator there are no precipitate. What wrong? Has poorly fried soda, 2 hours at 220 degrees?