official extraction help thread

[psilocybin]

Any questions or problems you may run into during an extraction can be asked to get other members input in this thread.

 

[Tomtegubbe]

Another question on rue extraction.

Harmine Crystals from Syrian Rue - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

This Tek looks simple enough. However I don't have ready access to high grade ethyl or methyl alcohol so I'd like to ask: What is the chemistry behind the solubility of harmala alkaloids to these alcohols in nutshell and can you use some other chemical for the job?

Yet another question.

Would acetone do the job?

This is probably a stupid thought but could you just mix acetone with Syrian rue mush and be able to pull the harmalas with it?

 

[monomind]

Another question on rue extraction.

Harmine Crystals from Syrian Rue - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

This Tek looks simple enough. However I don't have ready access to high grade ethyl or methyl alcohol so I'd like to ask: What is the chemistry behind the solubility of harmala alkaloids to these alcohols in nutshell and can you use some other chemical for the job?

Yet another question.

Would acetone do the job?

This is probably a stupid thought but could you just mix acetone with Syrian rue mush and be able to pull the harmalas with it?

AFAIK water will also do the job. All you want at this stage is to dissolve the harmala salts and then filter all non soluble stuff that is left behind.
I recommend you do one of the A/B harmala extractions if it is your first time ( such as the tao of rue or the one from endlessness ) It is simple and you will learn quite a lot in the process.
In passing, the extraction you referenced will not give you a smokable product. For this you will need to freebase the alkaloids.

 

[Tomtegubbe]

Another question on rue extraction.

Harmine Crystals from Syrian Rue - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

This Tek looks simple enough. However I don't have ready access to high grade ethyl or methyl alcohol so I'd like to ask: What is the chemistry behind the solubility of harmala alkaloids to these alcohols in nutshell and can you use some other chemical for the job?

Yet another question.

Would acetone do the job?

This is probably a stupid thought but could you just mix acetone with Syrian rue mush and be able to pull the harmalas with it?

AFAIK water will also do the job. All you want at this stage is to dissolve the harmala salts and then filter all non soluble stuff that is left behind.
I recommend you do one of the A/B harmala extractions if it is your first time ( such as the tao of rue or the one from endlessness ) It is simple and you will learn quite a lot in the process.
In passing, the extraction you referenced will not give you a smokable product. For this you will need to freebase the alkaloids.

Thank you. The a/b extraction seems complicated and I'm looking for a shortcut, but maybe I just have to give it a try and then have a better understanding of the process. Thanks for pointing out the freebase thing!

 

[bfp]

Dear Nexians,

I need some advice with the eco-friendly tek posted by Endlessness.

I used about 96g of very finely ground ACRB (used a coffee mill) and did an acid cook with citric acid before basing and then pulling with acetone. I was left with a plate that was covered in this dried flaky black reddish resin, that I am now trying to redissolve in citric acid.

Redissolution appears to be very slow though. The solution I use is about 10 % citric acid. The ph is lower than 4.5. Unfortunately the acid strips I use don't go lower than that, so I can't tell exactly.

Do I need to use a stronger acid here? Or should I just wait/use more of it?

all the best,
bfp

Have you tried grinding the resin? The increased surface area of the powder hastens dissolution. Probably there's a load of lipophilic stuff in the resin that's making it somewhat water resistant.

I've been carrying on with this tek. I couldn't get this resin to redissolve, but I ground it very finely, and perhaps we can assume that the DMT that was trapped inside it migrated into the acid over the course of the last few days (is this likely to be true?)

It would help me out a lot to have some feedback, or to know what this resin likely is and how to deal with it in case I'm doing this wrong .

Just an update in case someone is wondering how this went.

It seems to be going well .

All the best,
bfp

 

[Blazon]

hi,

I have a question regarding CYB's hybrid 'salt' tek

total amount of liquid is 700ml but hard to get those 700ml bottles like are in the picture-they all made of plastic ,only Calypso juice ones but they are 500ml.
(have some 700ml flasks but the Calypso bottles have metal lid not plastic or rubber there hence calypso)

is there a way to reduce from 700 to 500ml without loosing much yield or effect the extraction?

bumping this as at the official tek the Step 5 basifying
Weigh out 50g of Sodium Hydroxide (Lye/Caustic Soda).
Put 200ml of cold de-ionised water into the measuring jug.
Slowly add the 50g of lye to the water and stir using a metal spoon until it is all dissolved.(Add the lye crystals INTO the water (NOT water onto lye) to avoid strong reaction and splashing)
Carefully add the caustic solution to the bottle.
Top up with 140ml de-ionised water to the bottle; the overall volume should be around 700ml altogether now.

is the 140ml really nessesary? I want to go step by step but those bottles are 500ml and are perfect .....

today I found out when shoping for more that even the same flavour bottles vary about 50ml ,my shop sells them the same price:?: so I didn't even know they can vary as this is an import in my country from the States and has a special section in shops in general( pricey too £2.99 )but the bottles are perfect

 

[alacran313]

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[alacran313]

Hello, need help with re-x of 1.5g of extract(1st pic, nomans tek) from 100g MHRB.
Did re-x with aprox. 40ml naphta at 50C, stirred until milky then left to cool at room temperature and all naphta evaporated in 2-3 hrs.(2nd pic), currently in the refrigerator
Was expecting some liquid naphta throughout the whole process..

Any advice/steps?

Thanks!

 

[downwardsfromzero]

alacran313 - repeat the procedure using more naphtha, and put it into the freezer after cooling in the fridge.

 

[NimbleSoda]

Hi guys. I am wondering how much yield can really be lost in an emulsion. Was trying to pull with 100mL of room temp naptha out of a 1L acid brew from ACRB. This was the first pull, everything room temp. The mix was too thick because not enough NaOH was added to basify, and gentle shaking created wicked emulsion on this first naptha pull very quick. The right amount of NaOH was added after the fact, but only 50mL of the naptha was separated no matter what was tried (everything). The emulsion had to be pitched and further pulls have gone swimmingly with no emulsion problems since now there is sufficient NaOH.

Evapping the 50mL that was salvageable from that first pull yielded very, very little. You'd think given what I said that half the first pull would have still yielded more than like 100mg...right? Or is it possible the screwup was so severe that virtually all the spice was lost in that emulsion? :?

 

[Kumarajiva]

Put your soup bottle (with the lid off) into waterbath (cold) and start heating. Naptha will separate from emulsion.
You will have to pay with more oils moving into naptha though.
Next time: dont shake - roll the bottle like this: rolling the bottle

 

[Plainoldsteve]

Hi everyone, my friend has a bit of a problem with converting fumerate to freebase?
When my friend adds the sodium carbonate saturated water to the fumerate dissolved in water, only bubbling occurs noting precips out

Doing the paste and pull method, once mixed, as soon as the water touched the mixed powders, huge bubbling occurred and only a small amount of clouding,,, after acetone pull only tiny amount of yellow goo was left,,

Does anyone know what's going on? Has my friend not converted the sodium carbonate enough?
Or have the washes of excess fumaric not been vigorous enough?

Please help

 

[spicysloth]

Hey ya'll. So iv done quite a few extractions, but I always make a mess. How does one pour solvent (like a small amount such as when doing a re-x) and decant acid boils without the fluid running down the side of the container/pot?

 

[Cryptomot]

Hello,

My friend tried the Cybs Hybrid ATB salt tec on mimosa hostilis root bark. He had some succes but the yield was very low.

He has some questions:

1) He extracted 0,5g of 100 MHRB (see pictures). Now he has been trying 100gr instead of 50gr MHRB, can he just use the same measurements for lye/salt/vinegar or does he has to double it also?

So he did this:

100gr MHRB
60ML vinegar
40Gr salt
50gr lye

Is this ok for this amount of bark in 1L of water?

2) Although he mixes very gentle, the nafta is not very clear. He tried to do a wash but it's still the same colour, any idea what's the cause? (pictures)

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Hey ya'll. So iv done quite a few extractions, but I always make a mess. How does one pour solvent (like a small amount such as when doing a re-x) and decant acid boils without the fluid running down the side of the container/pot?

There comes a point when it's best to have a pipette, and to use containers that have a pouring spout or at least have a decent lip to them.

 

[Tomtegubbe]

Hey! Just want to tell you that after lots of hesitation, I finally did my first harmala extraction and I'm very pleased with the results! I followed mostly the tao of rue extraction tek, but boiled the seeds whole and just skipped all the extra purification and the final freebase conversion. The most difficult part was to get it right in your head, but the actual work was simple enough

Thank you everyone in this community for putting this together and sharing with others!

 

[rido]

I've tried using mini a/b to defat with moderate success. On my most recent ACRB extraction, I used xylene to pull the fats from the acid phase. I saved this xylene to filter and reuse later. I repeated this three times. After basing I pulled with xylene three times. Then I washed the xylene with water to make sure there wasn't any base mixed in with the solvent.

I found this acid phase defat to be much easier since it didn't involve changing the pH. Is the difference between the two defat techniques just personal preference, or am I missing something?

 

[Aeroman]

Been trying to do an extraction for a couple of weeks but so far not getting any extracted crystals, getting frustrated.

The root bark used works when brewed into mimosahuasca, I've had several intense trips with both powdered and shredded bark from 2 different sources. 20-25 grams of the bark consistently gave me my most intensive, breakthrough psychedelic experiences ever. It would be nice to have a stash of freebase so that I can trip whenever I want instead of spending most of a day preparing a brew and being careful about my diet etc. I'd also like to try pharmahuasca so I was looking for a low toxicity extraction technique.

The first attempt was Gordo Tek's lime A/B extraction. I bought some food grade calcium hydroxide and followed his instructions. I did 4 pull attempts but none resulted in crystals forming.

I'm in Europe where Naphtha is very difficult to find, I used a product which French psychonauts say is a similar substance, called Essence C - http://fuel.papo-art.com/
I heated it from around 30° up to it's boiling point in a water bath but there wasn't any DMT extraction.

I attempted straight-to-base Tek, A/B extraction in jar after brewing the root in acidic water for 7-9 hours. I tested the ph levels which were usually at ph 12-14. I bought some wundbenzin (petroleum spirit) after reading here that it is superior to naphtha but still no crystalisation.
The next thing I will try is lye.

I can't work out what I'm doing wrong. Is basifying with calcium hydroxide less effective than sodium hydroxide for extractions? Is there a fail safe method that I should try next? Thanks for your advice.

 

[Jimbo1776]

Had a interesting event doing a sodium carb wash in a very narrow shot glass. Upon separation the water settled as expected, followed by the slag forming a perfect wax like seal over the water followed by a nice yellow tinted Bestine. I was able to seperate my washed extract poured right from the glass, water sealed in the bottom. No pipette required.

Just was curious as this was my second wash ever, is this a typical occurrence or was this interesting lucky happenstance?

 

[grimlid]

Had a interesting event doing a sodium carb wash in a very narrow shot glass. Upon separation the water settled as expected, followed by the slag forming a perfect wax like seal over the water followed by a nice yellow tinted Bestine. I was able to seperate my washed extract poured right from the glass, water sealed in the bottom. No pipette required.

Just was curious as this was my second wash ever, is this a typical occurrence or was this interesting lucky happenstance?

Just a side note and sorry to hijack..... @Jimbo1776 .... do you find the carbonate wash really improves your quality?
I ordered some recently hoping to really remove some of the potential impurities from the NPS or lye soak in my finished molecules.

 

[Aeroman]

Please help!
I posted a couple of days ago, I'm still not having any success with my extraction attempts, I could really do with some suggestions, I followed Cybs' Hybrid ATB 'Salt' Tek to the letter, the only divergence is the solvent I use "Essence C", it's what French psychonauts use, it is supposed to be similar to naphtha, it evaporates cleanly and boils at around 60°, "naphtha" is hard to come by in Europe. I used 50 grams of shredded bark that I ground finely in my coffee grinder, 20 grams of the same bark in a mimosahuasca brew gets me straight into a breakthrough trip so I know there is decent levels of DMT in it.

I tried using petroleum ether (wundbenzin) but it either disappeared into the base or evaporated, there was no solvent layer to draw from afterwards.

I have done 2 pulls from the same base, the first looked thick and milky which made me optimistic but no crystals formed.

The second, I reused the recovered solvent and added some more Essence C and mixed on and off for 45 minutes with the jar in a bath of hot water 50-30°C, it wasn't as milky and resulted in an oily residue but no crystals.

I've had a look at the troubleshooting guide in the wiki but would really appreciate some pointers from some members with more extraction experience. How would you resolve this?