"Oil rig" for vaporizing DMT?

[Julz]

Does anyone use one? Does it seem to vapoize the crystals w/o burning? Is it smoother or easier on your lungs?

I know that many of you are fans of the Vapor Genies, and I understand it is better for weed and probably changa too, but I've just been thinking a lot about the smoking aspect of DMT crystals and wondered if an oil rig would work too. Would having a bubbler improve the hit, or would you lose something in the water? Would it be better to have a dry rig? Want to protect my lungs as best I can.

Questions, questions... But who else to ask? Thx!

 

[Eliyahu]

what's an oil rig?

 

[Crazyhorse]

I've been curious about this too, but unfortunately can't tell you for sure, I haven't tested it or read anything about it. But I suspect that the temp would be too high and burn the DMT. It seems to vaporize at a much lower temp than THC, and those ti-plates get really hot. I'm too afraid of wasting what precious little I have left to test it.

BTW Julz: what's up with not commenting on my recent journeys?

Eliyahu: An oil rig is a device for vaporizing "Dabs" of BHO (butane honey oil), which is pure cannabis trichomes extracted with butane. Kind of an uber-hash. It's sort of the new "in" thing in the weed scene. Gives you an extreme dose very quickly, similar to large edible doses in a couple of hits, but without so much of the "body high". It's pretty intense, and I'd say even borders on psychedelic if you go overboard with it. I've met a few people who have given up "flowers" completely in favor of it.

 

[VIII]

Well I just posted this in another thread and then ran across this one. In short, I would not recommend them as you run into problems of both burning the DMT and pyrolyzing it. Check out some of the DIY Ingestion Methods on the wiki for good alternatives to the GVG for vaporization. As long as you are vaporizing it you should have the least problems with your lungs. Using an oil rig I would think there is a high risk of passing the vaporization point and burning the spice, thereby increasing potential risk of lung damage.
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A note on the light bulb/meth style pipes. I believe using these styles will pyrolyze DMT, which from my reading is something that should be avoided. I'll quote a past post of mine.

Through my searching I found that DMT does not smoke well through conduction, leaving a harsher taste and less potent hit.
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This thread in particular discusses pyrolyzing of spice via conduction. From what I gather, the effect of pyrolysis will depend on the plant used for extraction and also on other impurities that are present? Some effects of pyrolyzed DMT could be harmful

If using one of these styles (not advised) be careful to apply heat slowly. If too much heat is applied to the glass the DMT seems to stop vaporizing and simply burns/reacts.

I found the Ubie vaporizer, which pulls in heat through small holes on the front of the glass, works better than an Essential Vape which uses a heated glass vial. These can all be used to achieve breakthrough in my experience. However, I've noticed a tan/brown residue/resin that remains on the glass after using these styles. It can be scraped and smoked (unsure about health dangers) for a potent and slightly twisted DMT experience.

 

[Crazyhorse]

It's an understandable mixup but an "oil rig" does not = an "oil burner" (meth pipe).

An oil rig is a more advanced contraption specifically designed for vaping THC oil that uses a preheated titanium plate to vaporize on, and the vapor is then passed through water to cool it.

But I think you're probably right regardless, I'd expect DMT to burn at the temp of heated titanium.

 

[VIII]

Yes I just looked up oil rigs here on the nexus previous to posting it, they are different styles but use the same methods for heating the spice (conduction). Surface is heated to a high temperature which then heats the spice. Unsure if glass and titanium surface would work differently here.

The oil rig posts that I found through my search did report better results. Having no leftover residue on the titanium, unlike my experiences with both styles I mentioned above. Also, it seems to help by immediately vaporizing/burning a large amount of the spice. My styles require applying the spice beforehand and then applying heat, which doesn't allow for administration as quickly. I can't rule out error in my smoking method.

Regardless though, I believe without a way to gauge the temperature of the glass that the spice will be applied to, there is a higher risk to the lungs than with other vaporization techniques.

 

[Julz]

Thanks for the input, figure it never hurts to ask. I personally don't dab, but thought the device itself might warrant interest. I've got more reading to do I guess.

CrazyHorse... Um, been busy? Recuperating... Catching up on the mundane aspects of my life. Don't worry Honey, I'll swing by

 

[Sky Motion]

LOl my TI nail gets so hot it would definitely destroy every spec of crystal I put on it..

 

[Crazyhorse]

I'd be very interested to know what the vaporizing range for DMT actually is, I read 115-150 but was later told that's incorrect.

Sorry Julz forgot about your ouchies there for a minute! Hope you're doing ok!

*hossyhugs!*

 

[VIII]

My apologies I was wrong by stating glass. I meant surface as they both work through conduction.

As for the vaporization point/range of DMT, I can't be certain on the number. I'm certain it is far less than that of THC, and your estimate of 115-150 F may be about right. I would put a high estimate at ~200-250 F, but I believe it may still be too high.

 

[Crazyhorse]

LOl my TI nail gets so hot it would definitely destroy every spec of crystal I put on it..

Plus it would be tricky to apply the dose without spilling it everywhere, even on the rigs that use a plate instead of a nail (although those would be a little easier). Especially if you wanted a second hit and weren't seeing straight.

 

[Crazyhorse]

My apologies I was wrong by stating glass. I meant surface as they both work through conduction.

As for the vaporization point/range of DMT, I can't be certain on the number. I'm certain it is far less than that of THC, and your estimate of 115-150 F may be about right. I would put a high estimate at ~200-250 F, but I believe it may still be too high.

In another thread where I mentioned those numbers someone said he heated it to 165 and it didn't even melt, so I'm guessing it must be higher than that. 200ish might be about rigt. Someone with a digi vaporizer like the new volcano should test this out.

 

[olympus mon]

I agree 100% with VIII- an oil rig will burn the bejesus out of the molecule offering up horrid burned smoke and destroy your dmt.

He is spot on about pyrolyzation from convection. The dmt will just sit there not making vapor and burn making harsh smoke if anything. Convection is the tricky Biotch of the methods and should be avoided. It is possible to have success as I have had breakthroughs with this sub standard method but it came at the cost of 50% misfires and grams of wasted spice.