On faith and religion

[Saidin]

I understand why you believe that, but I disagree. Professor Bloom wrote that "the virtue of openness" is the "great insight of our times." The idea that truth is relative has destroyed America by transitioning its citizens from a "democratic man" to a "democratic personality", or a liberal democracy without Natural Rights. Thus diminishing the intellect and responsibility of the individual, and further obfuscating the truth from being understood.

I am not planning on dying to get to where we're going. As Jesus said, Heaven is here on Earth. We just aren't spirituality worthy of seeing it.

All beliefs are not valid. One of us is right and one of us is wrong. I concede I may be the one who is wrong and you may be the one who is right, but we are definitely NOT both right.

The Tree of Life is the 22 Hebrew letters (3, 7, 12) and the 10 numbers. This equals 32, which is equated with the Heart in Kabbalah. The word of God is math, it is not abstract or unknown.

Check this out, and I guarantee you will no longer think truth is unknowable:

I never said that truth was unknowable, I said the Ultimate Truth is unknowable. Nothing you can show me or have me read will change that belief. Why? Because then I am ascribing to someone else's truth, and box myself into a corner. I find it inconcievealbe that anyone would claim to know the mind of God. Would it expand upon my own understanding of the truth? Quite possibly, if it resonates with me. I am immeadiately skeptical of anyone who claims to know the "Truth" as you seem to be doing. I have found my own truth, and that is sufficient. Nothing has been obfuscated from me, my intellect and responsibility to my other selves has not been diminished, my understanding has only grown in strength as the questions I ask are answered, and new questions arise.

Not sure what you mean by a liberal democracy, as we are not a democracy, we are a republic. I would disagree that the idea of relative truth is what has destroyed America, there are many other and more compelling reasons for its apparent demise. What are Natural Rights? Please define.

The numbers 3, 6, 9, 12 are significant for me, and that is all that matters.

I was educated in the US, but my beliefs in regards of spirituality have nothing to do with my education. I've been out of school for a couple decades, and my Awakening happened quite suddenly and unexpectedly. It is quite convincing, and has nothing to do with Kabbalah, or any other organized belief system. I disagree with you, in that one of us is right and one of us is wrong. I do not have to believe in any specific dogma in order to transcend to the divine. We are all individual expressions of the One, and therefore each experience is unique and necessary to the whole, irrespective of belief, knowledge or personal truth. Can certain understanding bring us closer or get us there faster? I would agree with that, but it is by no means necessary, and there is not one particular understanding that trumps all others. We are both right, and we are both wrong. I am happy that you have found your path, one day we will meet and have a big laugh about this game we are both playing.

Will we transcend without dying? Possibly, but I am not an Earth native, and I tire of this world. Thankfully my service is almost complete. I am looking foward to going home, whether it is a living transcendence or death matters not.

Namaste

 

[Saidin]

Well said Aegle.

My true path to enlightenment is radiating pure compassion.

My true path is compassion tempered by wisdom.

 

[Saidin]

Check this out, and I guarantee you will no longer think truth is unknowable:

http://web.mac.com/len15/LOVE528/Pi,_PHI_&_528.html

There are highly aligned water molecules in your brain that have Fibonacci patterns. These water molecules have a field inducing effect on the photons in your brain, allowing self-induced transparency and super-radiance (essentially reverse time). The human brain is the only proof of a room temperature superconductor and photonic computer, and the way it works is based on divine math (not words/ideas or logic but numbers) from Sefer Yetizrah.

I just read much of this article you posted. Very interesting, many of the concepts I have come across before, and have been incorporated into my own personal truth. I have understood for quite some time that all is vibration and that love is the key.
Definately worth reading, as it expands compellingly upon some of those concepts. Thank you for this, you have increased my understanding.

But the Truth is no more knowable now than before I read it.

 

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Well said Aegle.

My true path to enlightenment is radiating pure compassion.

My true path is compassion tempered by wisdom.

Yes!... Beautiful post Aegle!

Resonates with me very much. That is my EXACTLY my view.

...And good first post in this thread Saidin! Your posts hold alot with me also.


COMPASSION AND RESPECT

 

[feelsolar]

Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
lets me see.
As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn beyond the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
lets me see there is so much more
and beckons me to look through to these infinite possibilities.
As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn outside the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition leaving all these opportunities behind.

Feed my will to feel this moment urging me to cross the line.
Reaching out to embrace the random.
Reaching out to embrace whatever may come.

I embrace my desire to
feel the rhythm, to feel connected
enough to step aside and weep like a widow
to feel inspired, to fathom the power,
to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain,
to swing on the spiral
of our divinity and still be a human.

With my feet upon the ground I lose myself
between the sounds and open wide to suck it in,
I feel it move across my skin.
I'm reaching up and reaching out,
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

Spiral out. Keep going, going...

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I like this song(Lateralus by Tool), it kinda fits with whats being talked about here.

It's cool when you find a path you enjoy walking, but if your 'enlightenment' becomes structured it's not longer a path of freedom. Live for the moment because every breathe I take is another step I get to take to explore this mysterious world where nothing is stable and always an adventure. When it comes to the end of the day and I would be ok if it was my last, then I know I am walking a path of heart.

 

[Saidin]

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I like this song(Lateralus by Tool), it kinda fits with whats being talked about here.

It's cool when you find a path you enjoy walking, but if your 'enlightenment' becomes structured it's not longer a path of freedom. Live for the moment because every breathe I take is another step I get to take to explore this mysterious world where nothing is stable and always an adventure. When it comes to the end of the day and I would be ok if it was my last, then I know I am walking a path of heart.

Wow. I really have to listen to Tool, many have said their music is very spiritual and enlightening, time to check them out.

Also very well said about walking the path, makes perfect sense to me and reflects my experience very nicely. Always question, never settle. Breathe. You will know when you walk the path of heart.

Many thanks for this well said insight!

 

[SWIMfriend]

Lateralus-Tool. Nice video!

 

[33]

I never said that truth was unknowable, I said the Ultimate Truth is unknowable. Nothing you can show me or have me read will change that belief. Why?

You are essentially right in everything you said. I believe we are simply misunderstanding each other.

You are correct that divine truth can only come from within. I can tell you certain things but I am aware of the concept of Bread of Shame. If you believe in the God of Abraham, then it's easy to see how the Tree of Life (e.g. Genesis, Revelation 22:14) represents divine truth. Recognizing that is easy, understanding it is not.

You have to define what the Tree of Life is and it starts with the alphabet, as in the Alef-Bet. The structure of the Hebrew language is not random, it is hard coded into reality and the Universe (not talking about nonsensical Bible codes).

The concept of "relative truth" mixed with the fallacy that centralization of power always helps society transformed the US from a Republic into a liberal democracy without natural rights. This has helped destroy the US and the world, and as the process of Economic Integration (GATT, NAFTA, SPP) advances its reversing our society to a pre-French Revolutionary period of feudalism where we once again become serfs.

Natural Rights mean those that innate to humans, that come from God as a gift of your humanity (or something greater than government; the Universe or Nature). This is the Natural Law. For example, US citizens have a Natural Right to Constitutional Travel upheld by the Supreme Court and based on the pursuit of happiness.

A police officer cannot legally put someone in jail for driving without a license or for driving intoxicated, since there is no real victim, no actual damage to a person or property. Such an act is pre-crime or a thought crime. You cannot take away a Natural Right unless the person violates someone else's rights.

Not to be offensive, but the fact that you don't know what Natural Rights are validates my argument. The Rockefeller, Guggenheim, Ford and Carnegie foundations manipulated the US educational system to promote American Collectivism by slanting history to favor collectivism over individualism (i.e. Natural Rights). This was proven by the Congressional Reece Commission and is evident in the propaganda put out by the American Historical Association (www.historians.org). Furthermore, it was validated by Professor Allan Bloom's very famous and respected book The Closing of the American Mind.

The Ultimate Truth is the Tree of Life but what it means I don't really know.

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is the awakening
it is the illumination
it is truth beyond any name you give it
no sect, no religion, no organization who claims its power
is righteous to quantify its existence within their calling
what is is
the simplest art is nature
it is not voted upon or compromised
it is what it is
I am that I am
​

 

[33]

I just read much of this article you posted. Very interesting, many of the concepts I have come across before, and have been incorporated into my own personal truth. I have understood for quite some time that all is vibration and that love is the key.
Definately worth reading, as it expands compellingly upon some of those concepts. Thank you for this, you have increased my understanding.

But the Truth is no more knowable now than before I read it.

Thank you for your objectivity.

In Lurian Kabbalah, the Heart is represented by 32, which is the Tree of Life (10 numbers+22 letters). I mean this in a mathematical sense, not symbolic. Hebrew letters have 4 separate numerical values and their relationships to other letters and words are pleasantly shocking.

I understand your resistance to organized religious thought, but these writings are they most profound things I have ever read and they were written (or conceived) 1,000s of years ago by smart Jewish rabbis. I have been studying it for a long time and I'm consistently overwhelmed by the profound nature of it. If religion is true, this is the answer I believe. I have yet to find a competing theory that would challenge Lurian Kabbalah.

To be very clear, I do not know the ultimate truth, nor do I understand this much but I am forever intrigued by it and believe it is worthy of study. I appreciate the conversation regarding it because it helps me to understand more clearly. I invite you to explore it more as it resonates with the DMT experience perfectly (for me).

 

[Saidin]

You have to define what the Tree of Life is and it starts with the alphabet, as in the Alef-Bet. The structure of the Hebrew language is not random, it is hard coded into reality and the Universe (not talking about nonsensical Bible codes).

The concept of "relative truth" mixed with the fallacy that centralization of power always helps society transformed the US from a Republic into a liberal democracy without natural rights. This has helped destroy the US and the world, and as the process of Economic Integration (GATT, NAFTA, SPP) advances its reversing our society to a pre-French Revolutionary period of feudalism where we once again become serfs.

Natural Rights mean those that innate to humans, that come from God as a gift of your humanity (or something greater than government; the Universe or Nature). This is the Natural Law. For example, US citizens have a Natural Right to Constitutional Travel upheld by the Supreme Court and based on the pursuit of happiness.

A police officer cannot legally put someone in jail for driving without a license or for driving intoxicated, since there is no real victim, no actual damage to a person or property. Such an act is pre-crime or a thought crime. You cannot take away a Natural Right unless the person violates someone else's rights.

Not to be offensive, but the fact that you don't know what Natural Rights are validates my argument. The Rockefeller, Guggenheim, Ford and Carnegie foundations manipulated the US educational system to promote American Collectivism by slanting history to favor collectivism over individualism (i.e. Natural Rights). This was proven by the Congressional Reece Commission and is evident in the propaganda put out by the American Historical Association (www.historians.org). Furthermore, it was validated by Professor Allan Bloom's very famous and respected book The Closing of the American Mind.

I have come across the idea that the hebrew alphabet is derived by the shadow of a Phi spiral projected upon the walls of a tetrahedron. This was very interesting to me, though I have not looked into it any further. That would be evidence of something beyond simple human scribbling 1000's of years ago. But whether that is a divine gift, or extra-terresterial influence cannot be proven. I personally lean more toward the latter.

I don't believe in the god of Abraham, there are too many logical fallacies and nonsensical "rules" to give that belief system any validity from my perspective. What psychotic creator would give humans free will and then punish them for eternity if they got it wrong the one and only chance then got? Granted there are jewels of wisdom in there, but you have to wade through too much feces to find them. They are not as accessible as they should be.

I don't need any rights from god, because I am god, and so are you. You say we no longer have natural rights, but then go on to cite several examples of those rights, so I'm a bit confused. What natural rights have we been denied due to the transition to "relative truth"? If we don't have them now, we have never had them. World history is rife with examples of empire, slavery and centralized control systems from the birth of civilization. When have humans ever enjoyed these natural rights you speak of? In addition the Abrahamic religions are full of edicts against "thought crime".

The only natural law I ascribe to is the Law of Free Will. Everyone has the right to pursue their own measure of happiness as long as it does not impede upon the free will of others. By your definition Natural Rights are a religious construct, a supposed gift from an invisible vengeful architect. That is probably why I was unfamiliar with your term, and asked you to define it. I already understood the concept from a perspective of Free Will. And please don't worry, there is no possible way you could ever offend me.

Some of these terms are new to me (been a long time since I've been forced to read a textbook, or history book) so please excuse me if I fumble around with the ideas a bit. Collectivism isn't necessairily a bad thing, in fact Jesus was a socialist, and promoted doing what is best for the common good. We are all one being here, there is no you or I or him, or it. What I do for others helps myself, for if I improve someone else's life, then my life in turn is improved. Individuation is a fallacy, an ego construct that is based on fear, self-preservation and separation, the more we are kept separate and only looking out for ourselves, the more power they have over us. We are already slaves, have been for a long time, its just that most people don't realize it.

 

[Saidin]

Thank you for your objectivity.

In Lurian Kabbalah, the Heart is represented by 32, which is the Tree of Life (10 numbers+22 letters). I mean this in a mathematical sense, not symbolic. Hebrew letters have 4 separate numerical values and their relationships to other letters and words are pleasantly shocking.

I understand your resistance to organized religious thought, but these writings are they most profound things I have ever read and they were written (or conceived) 1,000s of years ago by smart Jewish rabbis. I have been studying it for a long time and I'm consistently overwhelmed by the profound nature of it. If religion is true, this is the answer I believe. I have yet to find a competing theory that would challenge Lurian Kabbalah.

To be very clear, I do not know the ultimate truth, nor do I understand this much but I am forever intrigued by it and believe it is worthy of study. I appreciate the conversation regarding it because it helps me to understand more clearly. I invite you to explore it more as it resonates with the DMT experience perfectly (for me).

I am unfamiliar with much of Kabbalah, just some very rudimentary ideas. It may be worth looking into, as I am always seeking new ideas and perspectives. I do dislike organized religious thought because it is always far to narrow in its precepts, and rarely allows free thinking or different ideas. We live in an emergent universe, change is the only constant, so while there may be truths embedded in ideas formulated 1000's of years ago, they are inherently flawed because everything changes. What was true back then is not necessairily, and unlikely to be true today.

I am a big fan of everyone exploring their own path toward the Great Mystery, and I am truly happy that you have found something that resonates with you. That is what is ultimately important. Your truth will not be the same as mine, but it is that quest for truth which defines us and provides meaning in our lives. We are all players in a game, each has our own roles. What is right for you, won't necessairly be right for me, and in the grand scheme of things, thats just how its supposed to be. I imagine when I look into Kabbalah more I'll find gems in there as well, and my own understanding of All That Is will be enhanced, and my path a little easier and my steps a little lighter.

As I've said in other posts...I can only learn by looking within myself and communicating with others. I love new ideas as they cosntantly force me to relect upon my beliefs and why they have significance for me. I don't have all the answers so I have to look out there for ideas that resonate. When they do, I incorporate them. When they don't, I acknowledge them and throw them away, but reserve the right to revist them when I am exposed to new information.

Good discussion.

May Love and Wisdom guide your path.

Namaste

 

[Aegle]

Well said Aegle.

My true path to enlightenment is radiating pure compassion.

My true path is compassion tempered by wisdom.

Why thank you Saidin


I love that compassion tempered by wisdom absolute brilliance.


Much Peace

 

[Aegle]

Yes!... Beautiful post Aegle!

Resonates with me very much. That is my EXACTLY my view.

COMPASSION AND RESPECT

Gee thank you DMTtripn2Space i am greatly moved that you found my post beautiful
Wow we have a matching philosophy awesome.


Much Peace and Compassion DMTtripn2Space

 

[burnt]

It's also possible that lucifer was a planet that crashed into the Earth prior to the Great Flood.

If you seriously believe that I must question pretty much everything you are saying. If a planet hit the earth we would probably know about it. We can tell when massive craters hit the earth you think we would miss a planet? Especially if it was at a time when humans were around (ie great flood). Which is also something thats not true there was never a flood that covered all the land on earth. If there was it was not when humans were around.

I believed in Divine Evolution forever. I also believed McKenna's idea (I think) about how apes or primates ate shrooms (i.e. manna) and that was the birth of counsciousness. I logically inteperted the Fall of Man (i.e. Birth of Consciousness) to be related to this, but now I consider another possibility.

Mckenna is flat out wrong. He made that theory up. Other animals are conscious there is no doubt about that.

I don't know what "materialize" means, but I for all my religion-bashing, I believe in the God of Abraham and think it's possible that Adam Kadmon didn't evolve from primates but somehow emerged spontaneously as an archetype of universal consciousness.

Another way to explain it, if there are aliens on other planets or in hyperspace I believe 99% of them are humanoids like us. We are the greatest being in all the universe. Our DNA and existence seems hard coded into existence itself. Either evolution has a goal or we are as innately natural as water.

Again you are repeating nonsense. We know there are other beings that looked like humans. We have found skeletons of human intermediates. Beings that are between us and simple primates existed. Not to mention our genetic heritage is so similar. It makes ZERO sense that we spontaneously materialized out of acrhetype universal consciousness.


No offense I dig some things you are saying about being against collectivism because I too have a major problem with these kinds of political philosophies but probably for much different reasons then you. But overall you are just spewing out beliefs that are based on nothing but poorly written religious text and insane religious ideas that have no basis in reality.


By the way we can continue the discussion from the other thread (with your poems) here if you want. Its more relevant to discuss here.

 

[○]

Yes!... Beautiful post Aegle!

Resonates with me very much. That is my EXACTLY my view.

COMPASSION AND RESPECT

Gee thank you DMTtripn2Space i am greatly moved that you found my post beautiful
Wow we have a matching philosophy awesome.


Much Peace and Compassion DMTtripn2Space

Your welcome Aegle..I was fortunate enough a few years back to go with 2 friends to Dharamsala which lies right in Himachal Pradesh. We went with a small tourist group. It was so picturesque and serene! Got to watch in on alot of different Mantras and learning centers and met and talked with a few of the Tibetans. That trip has changed my life forever and noone has any clue til they are there. The type of energy that is carried around Dharamsala is surreal. Its like walking into a wave of pure openness and compassion. The hairs stood up on my arms the entire time! lol

Aside from that wonderful experience..heres a little tidbit:

Our experience of the world is one of interdependence, and we do not exist as isolated elements but are related to each other as many strands of a fabric. Hindu and Buddhist texts provide structures through which trustworthy views of this experience can be developed, recognizing that such interdependence is not just of the nature of the body, but at a deeper level, of human social life. Such an outlook involves not only accommodation, but also slowly but steadily cultivates in us the ideal of renunciation, defined as the abandonment of material things over to someone else, and which is a necessary first step towards Nirvana.

COMPASSION AND RESPECT

 

[Aegle]

Your welcome Aegle..I was fortunate enough a few years back to go with 2 friends to Dharamsala which lies right in Himachal Pradesh. We went with a small tourist group. It was so picturesque and serene! Got to watch in on alot of different Mantras and learning centers and met and talked with a few of the Tibetans. That trip has changed my life forever and noone has any clue til they are there. The type of energy that is carried around Dharamsala is surreal. Its like walking into a wave of pure openness and compassion. The hairs stood up on my arms the entire time! lol

Aside from that wonderful experience..heres a little tidbit:

Our experience of the world is one of interdependence, and we do not exist as isolated elements but are related to each other as many strands of a fabric. Hindu and Buddhist texts provide structures through which trustworthy views of this experience can be developed, recognizing that such interdependence is not just of the nature of the body, but at a deeper level, of human social life. Such an outlook involves not only accommodation, but also slowly but steadily cultivates in us the ideal of renunciation, defined as the abandonment of material things over to someone else, and which is a necessary first step towards Nirvana.

COMPASSION AND RESPECT

Oh my word Dharamsala is the ultimate destination for me you are so lucky. :shock: I have been to Northern India for a month for teachings i went and stayed in a monastery called The Shechen Monastery in Bodhgaya. I highly recommend going to Bodhgaya its an incredible place. An amazing place to visit is the Mahabodhi Temple where the Bodhi Tree resides. My hairs stood on end almost the entire time i was in Bodhgaya. I know exactly what you mean Bodhgaya has the same intense surreal and powerful energy. Dharamsala will definitely be the next place i will travel to that's for sure. How long did you stay in Dharamsala if you don't mind me asking?

I loved that little tidbit i couldn't agree more :d

Shechen Monastery

Mahabodhi Temple


Much Peace and Compassion

 

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Your welcome Aegle..I was fortunate enough a few years back to go with 2 friends to Dharamsala which lies right in Himachal Pradesh. We went with a small tourist group. It was so picturesque and serene! Got to watch in on alot of different Mantras and learning centers and met and talked with a few of the Tibetans. That trip has changed my life forever and noone has any clue til they are there. The type of energy that is carried around Dharamsala is surreal. Its like walking into a wave of pure openness and compassion. The hairs stood up on my arms the entire time! lol

Aside from that wonderful experience..heres a little tidbit:

Our experience of the world is one of interdependence, and we do not exist as isolated elements but are related to each other as many strands of a fabric. Hindu and Buddhist texts provide structures through which trustworthy views of this experience can be developed, recognizing that such interdependence is not just of the nature of the body, but at a deeper level, of human social life. Such an outlook involves not only accommodation, but also slowly but steadily cultivates in us the ideal of renunciation, defined as the abandonment of material things over to someone else, and which is a necessary first step towards Nirvana.

COMPASSION AND RESPECT

Oh my word Dharamsala is the ultimate destination for me you are so lucky. :shock: I have been to Northern India for a month for teachings i went and stayed in a monastery called The Shechen Monastery in Bodhgaya. I highly recommend going to Bodhgaya its an incredible place. An amazing place to visit is the Mahabodhi Temple where the Bodhi Tree resides. My hairs stood on end almost the entire time i was in Bodhgaya. I know exactly what you mean Bodhgaya has the same intense surreal and powerful energy. Dharamsala will definitely be the next place i will travel to that's for sure. How long did you stay in Dharamsala if you don't mind me asking?

I loved that little tidbit i couldn't agree more :d


Much Peace and Compassion

Only 2 days, leaving on the thrid day. I will definitely have to go to Bodhgaya once i get the money together. Yeah they are amazing trips and no one really understands til they are there. The feeling is just SOO much different there.

COMPASSION AND RESPECT

 

[Aegle]

Only 2 days, leaving on the thrid day. I will definitely have to go to Bodhgaya once i get the money together. Yeah they are amazing trips and no one really understands til they are there. The feeling is just SOO much different there.

COMPASSION AND RESPECT

Indeed it is i miss India so much, i think once you have been you will always have a great longing to return :d


Much Peace

 

[33]

I have come across the idea that the hebrew alphabet is derived by the shadow of a Phi spiral projected upon the walls of a tetrahedron.

This is fantastic. I have to think about this concept, very intriguing. I believe God is the Tetragrammaton for mathematical reasons not religious and I know this relates to tetrahedrons somehow.

There are answers to your questions. However, it's hard to make counter arguments to your statements. You aren't understanding what I am saying.

I very much appreciate the knowledge, wisdom and awareness of people here. You guys/girls are great. I love thinking about these things.

I don't believe in the god of Abraham, there are too many logical fallacies and nonsensical "rules" to give that belief system any validity from my perspective.

When I say God, I mean in a deistic-sense. God as in the Universe, Nature -- whatever is true based on scientific observation. I despise the Catholic Church, all religion and have questioned the entire Bible. I have committed one of the two so-called unforgivable sins. Nothing happened.

You are confusing truth with religion. You can believe in God without believing in religion. Do you see how they've polarized the range of ideas? You either believe in their definition of God or their definition of Globalization or are against it. No one ever says, hey what about another definition?

I prefer the Jeffersonian Bible and the Gospel of Thomas, but I don't believe "religion".

Some of these terms are new to me (been a long time since I've been forced to read a textbook, or history book) so please excuse me if I fumble around with the ideas a bit. Collectivism isn't necessairily a bad thing, in fact Jesus was a socialist, and promoted doing what is best for the common good. We are all one being here, there is no you or I or him, or it. What I do for others helps myself, for if I improve someone else's life, then my life in turn is improved. Individuation is a fallacy, an ego construct that is based on fear, self-preservation and separation, the more we are kept separate and only looking out for ourselves, the more power they have over us.

Natural Rights are not a religious construct, they are the foundation of the United States and the French Revolution.

Jesus was the opposite of a socialist. He was a libertarian. He taught us Natural Religion, to love our neighbor and that we as human beings had the capability of knowing, learning and growing as to govern ourselves and our families, in order to render political government useless. This is known as the Indefinite Perfectibility of Man and the founder of the Bavarian Illuminati (along with many in the Enlightenment Era) viewed this as the object goal of Jesus.

This is the beauty of anarchy; it states Nature gave YOU the ability to KNOW, not a few men or one man knowing whats best for all men.

To me it doesn't matter if Jesus existed or not. The Talmud says Jesus broke into a Jewish Rabbi's office, stole the name of God, cut his calf and hid it inside. This is how Jesus was able to perform the miracles and maybe he self-fulfilled the prophecy. But I can explain his magic if he existed.

The most powerful people in the world promote collectivism and deny the truth. Individualism is not a fallacy. In fact, it was the entire point of Creation. As an infinite one, we have no distinction. The entire purpose of this world was to distinguish ourselves from our self. And it is to balance the form (vessel, Bet) with the infinite (source, Alef). Once you achieve this, your soul "superconducts" with the Universe and the result is the DMT reality.

I am not religious and I believe Jesus represents lucifer. I am a Rosicrucian. The individual who invented the Scientific Method and the individual that invented the Metric System were both members. Most of all the brilliant minds in the history of the world have considered the philosophy I am talking about.

It is not Jewish mysticism technically. It is the Primordial Tradition known as the Mysteries and it is from the Ancient Mystery Schools of Egypt and Greece (and maybe originally from aliens).

My view of humanity is much like Doug Stanhope's. If I were an arch-angel, I'd set this world ablaze. I would not be kind to mankind. As Jesus said, he came not to cast peace but to cast fire (knowledge) upon us.

You assume that we are smarter than people 1,000s of years ago. How do you know this?

I believe God is math. I don't believe fairy tales (I am an objectivist first & a mystic second).

The Bible is a trick question. Don't fall for it.

 

[33]

If you seriously believe that I must question pretty much everything you are saying. If a planet hit the earth we would probably know about it.

Maybe it was a small rock? It's as plausible as the theory that Lucifer was an angel cast out of Heaven for defying God's brillance. There are historical texts that say the planet lucifer reflected light and was competing for the light of God -- which back then was the Sun.

Watch the first 20 minutes of this film, it's impressive:
Kymatica - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6736722752013377089

Mckenna is flat out wrong. He made that theory up. Other animals are conscious there is no doubt about that.

I loved McKenna. I learned about DMT thanks to him in the mid-90s. I think it's kinda ironic for you to write that. There was some interesting correlations. Animals have a spirit, not a soul. How we have both is unknown, unless you know?

Again you are repeating nonsense. We know there are other beings that looked like humans. We have found skeletons of human intermediates. Beings that are between us and simple primates existed. Not to mention our genetic heritage is so similar. It makes ZERO sense that we spontaneously materialized out of acrhetype universal consciousness.

I believe in evolution. I believe nature is seeking balance, coherency, stability (think of a stable octet of electrons). I simply hate how the argument is, believe the corrupt Catholic Church or believe the myopic scientists. No, the truth can't be somewhere in between?

However it is we emerged -- we are based on God. We are not an accident. Some type of logic, order and intelligence created us. And what makes most sense to me is Lurian Kabbalah.

Here's the truth -- when the Universal Hyperluminal Light created this world by distinguishing part of itself from itself, the essence of God itself entered the world. The Infinite Light existed in the sub-hyperluminal field for that period of time. Thus, Human Beings existed in a perfect state of the 50th Gate of Aun Suph before the Earth was created. Then the Light had to self-constrict and this is why we have Free Will and suffering. The myth of the Fall of Man is based on this but it is a lie, there was no original sin. The process was natural and good.

It left this essence of perfection and either evolution brought us back to that point or some other protocol, such as the Tree of Life. Again, I don't know what "materialize" means but this is not nonsense.

Not believing it doesn't change the fact it's true.

No offense I dig some things you are saying about being against collectivism because I too have a major problem with these kinds of political philosophies but probably for much different reasons then you. But overall you are just spewing out beliefs that are based on nothing but poorly written religious text and insane religious ideas that have no basis in reality.

By the way we can continue the discussion from the other thread (with your poems) here if you want. Its more relevant to discuss here.

Politics is not synonymous with opinon or relative truth. It's about Human Rights, namely your right to exist and your right to be left alone (i.e. the 4th Amendment). To keep it easy, the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence represents everything that is good in the world and the European Union, Economic Integration, Fabian socialism, Keynesian economics and Third Way economic/progressive fascism is everything that is wrong with the world.

These texts can teach your how to change reality with words and your mind.

Sefer Yetzirah and the Bahir are not poorly written texts. The first is the Book of Creation, it says how the world was created. You know the patterns you see in hyperspace? It is from Sefer Yetzirah. It is anti-intellectual to criticize something without reading it first. Have you read Sefer Yetzirah and the Bahir?

I am not offended by your words, but the Universe might be

And I hope I haven't hijacked this thread, or offended anyone myself. It's all Love (32).