One chance to the next life?

[nicwhitts]

I just thought id post this idea a friend of mine said and see what you guys thought. If DMT is the chemical released when you die, what if we only get one chance to move to our 'next life' and a DMT trip uses up this chance, leaving me in limbo when i die?

Thoughts?

 

[Purges]

The 'DMT is released when you die' thing is just a hypothesis. There is no evidence that this is what happens. Plus the body produces other potent psychedelics such as 5MEO DMT and Bufotenine, yet these barely get a mention. DMT may be part of the equation, but I find it hard to see how ingesting some exogenous neurotransmitter would scupper your endogenous supply in the long term. Maybe using it makes the transition easier? I tend to lean towards that perspective.

Add to this that there is no evidence for an 'afterlife' and I see little point in entertaining such superstitious notions.

 

[Spiralout]

I don't think you will end up in limbo, according to what your saying that would mean that you'd be in limbo if you used DMT even once.. What is limbo ? :surprised

 

[HippingTrippY]

If that's true then we live fore ever, Or even better don't have to get reincarnated yet again.



"Further up and Further In"
Aslan

 

[hug46]

Maybe using it makes the transition easier? I tend to lean towards that perspective.

Unless i was having a nice peaceful death in bed i can't see how it would make the transition easier. Imagine having a stressful death. Say being torn to pieces by a pack of ravenous wolves. The last thing that i would want is an endogenous dose of DMT. Being eaten alive while tripping your nuts off!!!!

 

[Purges]

What I meant is that the use of DMT would be a kind of practice for the process, once the devouring or whatever horrific way of dying you want to concoct has taken place.

And IF the hypothesis that DMT is released at the moment of death is true (big if), then you wouldn't get a choice in the matter, so again having a little familiarity with that state of awareness may be beneficial to the newly deceased.

Aldous Huxley requested IV lsd on his deathbed and is reported to have passed very peacefully. Not the same substance I know, but I can see how psychedelics, endogenous or otherwise could aid in the process.

 

[hug46]

Aldous Huxley requested IV lsd on his deathbed and is reported to have passed very peacefully. Not the same substance I know, but I can see how psychedelics, endogenous or otherwise could aid in the process.

The way i see the Huxley story is that he was dying and therefore wanted to squeeze every last bit of cognitive experience out of his time on earth. Not only that but he was in bed with his wife by his side whispering lovely things into his ear.

The bugbear i have with endogenous DMT being released during death is that it will only benefit those that are having a nice peaceful death and in our past these situations would probably have been less common than they are now. I can"t see any evolutionary value in it. At best, it makes the experience of dying into a trancendental experience. Maybe if it is released ( yes i agree about the big if) we should all have the odd DmT trip in traumatic circumstances in order to practice for every eventual outcome when we finally shuffle off this mortal coil.

I have even more of a problem with DMT being released to help our transition to other realms. What if someone gets blown up before the release can take place? I am sorry to keep concocting horrific deaths, but these things happen. The transition to other dimensions at the point of death just seems to be spiritual mumbo jumbo that only seems to favour those that have their pineal gland (or whatever produces endogenous DMT) intact at the point of death.

 

[Purges]

I agree and disagree with your points. For the record, I am far from coming to any conclusions on the matter, and until there is any real evidence for it, speculation is all we have. I also feel it is wise not to get bogged down with superstition or woo woo.

What I disagree with is that you seem to think that horrific deaths were more common in the past, and yet we live in one of the most violent stages that humanity has experienced.

The last 100 years or so has been drenched with blood. The weaponry with which to totally obliterate the opponent has also become more sophisticated and ever more obliteraty. People are beheaded and stoned to death on a regular basis in some parts of the world. There is also wealth inequality on an unprecedented scale, leading to starvation, famine etc. Natural disasters are ramping up. Our modes of transport are fast, heavy and carry highly explosive fuel and can cause terrible accidents that wipe out scores of people in the blink of an eye. You get the picture.

Death is very much something that we need to come to terms with, and it has always been that way, it is the greatest unknown of all.

Now I feel that DMT has helped me psychologically with death. It isn't always a lovely melting union. Far from it, some of my experiences have been, for want of a better analogy, pretty damn obliteraty.You don't necessarily need to take it in a traumatic circumstance, it can easily conjure those up for you. I don't think DMT is the only psychedelic that can facilitate these types of experience. Shamanic cultures talk of dismemberment experiences, being torn limb from limb, or flesh rotting off bones, often in conjunction with a rebirth type scenario. What's with that? Is it purely symbolic? Is it a rehearsal?

These realms that we go to when smoking spice are bizarre, very intense and can be more defined than our day to day experience, our awareness can balloon to unimaginable proportions. That to me is a very intriguing and baffling thing.

The pineal thing is valid and certainly adds a layer of complexity to the issue.

And what of NDEs? Where do these experiences fit into all of this?

 

[Cognitive Heart]

How can consciousness and energy perish? From what we know now, it does not. To think that you only have a 'chance' to crossover after our physical bodies completely deteriorate, is foolish. I feel its important to realize this, and is certainly directed through the psychedelic experience. Especially through the pure DMT experience. An all encompassing, opening, embraced welcoming is ahead of us all, IMHO. As one. Personally and as a gaian species. Almost like an attractor of some kind, non-localized.

Where that will be, how it will happen etc, is far beyond our primitive perception and awareness. Now, as human beings, we can experience incredible and profound discoveries, and also frightening ones during our lifetime here on Earth. As Purges as mentioned, it is only speculation. This is just my own speculation, through my own personal experience. But to ever entertain the thought that you solely only have 'one chance', or rather to think its a competition of some sort, or to even entertain any thought correlating to what could possibly happen at death, is inevitably, only fooling your own ability to see all possibilities.

Enjoy and evaluate this existence.

 

[hug46]

What I disagree with is that you seem to think that horrific deaths were more common in the past, and yet we live in one of the most violent stages that humanity has experienced.

The last 100 years or so has been drenched with blood. The weaponry with which to totally obliterate the opponent has also become more sophisticated and ever more obliteraty. People are beheaded and stoned to death on a regular basis in some parts of the world. There is also wealth inequality on an unprecedented scale, leading to starvation, famine etc.

Yes the last 100 years have been drenched in blood, people are beheaded and there is a wealth of inequality but are you sure that we don"t think that it is more violent due to the fact that we have information technology that gives us more news of these things and better records of events? In the UK 500 years ago there were a darn site more people getting beheaded and inequality than nowadays.

History and the Decline of Human Violence

In a magisterial new book, Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker argues that humanity's "better angels" are triumphing

www.scientificamerican.com

Accounts of daily life in medieval and early modern Europe reveal a society soaked in blood and gore. Medieval knights—whom today we would call warlords—fought their numerous private wars with a single strategy: kill as many of the opposing knight’s peasants as possible. Religious instruction included prurient descriptions of how the saints of both sexes were tortured and mutilated in ingenious ways. Corpses broken on the wheel, hanging from gibbets, or rotting in iron cages where the sinner had been left to die of exposure and starvation were a common part of the landscape. For entertainment, one could nail a cat to a post and try to head-butt it to death, or watch a political prisoner get drawn and quartered, which is to say partly strangled, disemboweled, and castrated before being decapitated. So many people had their noses cut off in private disputes that medical textbooks had procedures that were alleged to grow them back.

Now I feel that DMT has helped me psychologically with death. It isn't always a lovely melting union. Far from it, some of my experiences have been, for want of a better analogy, pretty damn obliteraty.You don't necessarily need to take it in a traumatic circumstance, it can easily conjure those up for you.

I actually think that i am ok with my impending demise (as long as it doesn"t involve getting eaten alive or something of that ilk) but i understand how DMT could help with the possible concept of non existence for eternity.

And what of NDEs? Where do these experiences fit into all of this?

I don"t really know enough about NDEs to comment. I had a similar experience while i was in an induced coma . I don"t think that my experience had anything to do with DMT.

For the record, I am far from coming to any conclusions on the matter, and until there is any real evidence for it, speculation is all we have. I also feel it is wise not to get bogged down with superstition or woo woo.

Enjoy and evaluate this existence.

I"m with you guys 100 per cent on the above points.

 

[nicwhitts]

Almost forgot i had posted this.

Some really interesting ideas here, enjoyed the read! Everything makes sense...

 

[BringsUsTogether]

Aldous Huxley requested IV lsd on his deathbed and is reported to have passed very peacefully.

It was IM but based on his wording when he made the request I think he was actually asking his wife to try it herself and she misinterpreted it.

The sheet of paper that he wrote his request on said:
"LSD - Try it
{illegible}
100 (mcg?)
then (200?)"

 

[Purges]

Very interesting, I was unaware of that. I guess we will never know for sure. I wonder if Mrs Huxley ever did sample it? I can certainly see how it would help to soften the ego and ease the transition in the right circumstances.

Accounts of daily life in medieval and early modern Europe reveal a society soaked in blood and gore. Medieval knights—whom today we would call warlords—fought their numerous private wars with a single strategy: kill as many of the opposing knight’s peasants as possible. Religious instruction included prurient descriptions of how the saints of both sexes were tortured and mutilated in ingenious ways. Corpses broken on the wheel, hanging from gibbets, or rotting in iron cages where the sinner had been left to die of exposure and starvation were a common part of the landscape. For entertainment, one could nail a cat to a post and try to head-butt it to death, or watch a political prisoner get drawn and quartered, which is to say partly strangled, disemboweled, and castrated before being decapitated. So many people had their noses cut off in private disputes that medical textbooks had procedures that were alleged to grow them back.

As vile as they are, none of those torture methods would have destroyed their pineals

What a messed up species we are...

 

[Purges]

Very interesting, I was unaware of that. I guess we will never know for sure. I wonder if Mrs Huxley ever did sample it? I can certainly see how it would help to soften the ego and ease the transition in the right circumstances.

Accounts of daily life in medieval and early modern Europe reveal a society soaked in blood and gore. Medieval knights—whom today we would call warlords—fought their numerous private wars with a single strategy: kill as many of the opposing knight’s peasants as possible. Religious instruction included prurient descriptions of how the saints of both sexes were tortured and mutilated in ingenious ways. Corpses broken on the wheel, hanging from gibbets, or rotting in iron cages where the sinner had been left to die of exposure and starvation were a common part of the landscape. For entertainment, one could nail a cat to a post and try to head-butt it to death, or watch a political prisoner get drawn and quartered, which is to say partly strangled, disemboweled, and castrated before being decapitated. So many people had their noses cut off in private disputes that medical textbooks had procedures that were alleged to grow them back.

As vile as they are, none of those torture methods would have destroyed their pineals

What a messed up species we are...

 

[HumbleTraveler]

Too late to turn back now any way