Other sources of DMT

[amor_fati]

Any SWIYs have any experience extracting from Chaliponga? SWIM was wondering whether it would be worth it to extract and smoke the full range of alkaloids at lighter doses, or whether it would be worthwhile to separate the 5-meo-dmt from the dmt.

What about other sources besides MHRB?

 

[69ron]

SWIM commonly extracts from chaliponga and chacruna.

Chacruna gives a smoother cleaner "DMT" experience than MHRB. There's apparently some other trace alkaloids that make the experience different enough to notice.

Chaliponga doesn’t just have 5-MeO-DMT and DMT. There are some other very unusual alkaloids present from time to time that make the smoked experience extremely bazaar. SWIM extracts chaliphonga with a DCM based A/B. I don’t know if naphtha would work well for extracting 5-MeO-DMT and the other non DMT alkaloids present in it. SWIM once smoked a 30 mg full range alkaloid extract from chaliponga and it literally blew the entire universe apart and left SWIM shaking. The full alkaloid mix of chaliponga is many levels more intense than DMT. It makes DMT seem like something for children in comparison. So be careful.

A chaliponga A/B extract using DCM can be used sublingually for a pure 5-MeO-DMT experience. It’s active at about 2-5 mg sublingually.

Again, a naphtha extract might only extract DMT, and that would be a disappointment. You want to use DCM or something similar that can extract all the alkaloids from chaliponga so you won’t be disappointed.

 

[Dorge]

well those results sound novel...
whats the cost comparison per kilo with chalioponga?

 

[Dorge]

another good source especially for those that like their entheogens local... ( buy local food but not entheogens? wha?)
Illinois Bundleflower Root(Desmanthus Illinois) is a very good source... and its relative lepioda spelling? I have seeds of that one..
any way its been planted through out the plains of the usa by the dept of agriculture.. as a grazing plant for live stock...
the roots are filled with DMT... trout has a whole book on it...
good read...

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[amor_fati]

Forgot to watch this topic, oops.

Is it true that in chacruna, much of the DMT will often convert to n-oxides within the plant?

Desmanthus illinois is one that SWIM's been quite interested in cultivating and extracting from.

Chaliponga seems to be the one SWIM would most like to try. SWIM would most likely use dry-techniques (possibly w/ limonene? or would acetone be preferable?), THP, and FASA to extract from this or any of the above mentioned botanicals (barring the possibility of N-Oxides in chacruna). SWIM imagines that FASA could retrieve most, if not all desirable actives from chaliponga?

 

[VisualDistortion]

Could SWIM just do a STB with chaliponga but with a defat step?

 

[Spacehippie]

Desmanthus Illinoensis does not contain much DMT.It is in there but you would need a ton of it to be worthwhile.Swim remembers awhile back on another forum marsofold did an extraction on Desmanthus Illinoensis and the yield was really really low on a pound of root.Something like enough for one dose.Desmanthus leptolobus swim hears is the better way to go.Here is a link to trouts notes on it. Desmanthus leptolobus

 

[fourthripley]

SWIM remembers awhile back on another forum marsofold did an extraction on Desmanthus Illinoensis and the yield was really really low on a pound of root.

That report used to be tucked away here somewhere but I've been unable to find it since the forums were reorganised. Last year I managed to germ 15 leptobulus, from 10 year old seed, 10 just gave up for no apparent reason, heavy winds turned over my mini-greenhouse killing 2 of the survivors and the 3 I managed to plant out were killed by heavy rains Not really contributing knowledge, just bitching.

 

[The Traveler]

Last year I managed to germ 15 leptobulus, from 10 year old seed, 10 just gave up for no apparent reason, heavy winds turned over my mini-greenhouse killing 2 of the survivors and the 3 I managed to plant out were killed by heavy rains Not really contributing knowledge, just bitching.

Horrible isn't it? Last year I had grown several small plants out of rue seeds only to have them all but one eaten one night by snails (snails LOVE rue, they left all the other plants standing). The last one lived for another few months until some locust/cricket ate it, I was really sad about that.