They are as easy as Cubes to grow, you can use the PF tek and incubate them at the same temperature. Once they are fully colonized, you can either birth them after a cold shock or use them to colonize wood chips for indoor casing or an outdoor patch.SnozzleBerry said:The Psilocybes, from what I understand, are woodlovers that (unless you've got some serious skills and something akin to a wine fridge) must be grown outdoors in patches and require a cold shock to fruit.
Yerba said:I thought the 'cold shock' was a myth?
Trippym said:I think cold shock is a myth when it comes to cubies(I have a mixed opinion about this) , but it definitely works for other species of mushroom.....
Bancopuma said:Also if you can grow cubensis from scratch you can definitely grow Pan cyans.
olympus mon said:For me, Id take some good strong Cube's over cyans. Being from the PNW cyans are a plenty but they tend to be a bit dark IMO.
I usually eat about 2g cyans or 4.5 g cubensis to get where I like to be. It could just be the particular cyan patch because Ive always eaten from that one patch icehouse has access to and he has agreed they tend to be dark and heavy.
To date the strongest and most powerful mushroom experience ever had was on PF's. These a the food of the Gods.
Im very anxious to start working with mushrooms and syrian rue when I get home. My good friend here in Peru says its his most favourable journey and very aya like.
This is far from what I understand to be true.behindthelight said:Bancopuma said:Also if you can grow cubensis from scratch you can definitely grow Pan cyans.
This is definitely false. They are extremely difficult to grow. Nothing like cubes.
Bancopuma said:I just want to stand by my statement and repeat...if you can grow cubensis from scratch, you can grow Pan cyans. They are certainly harder to grow for sure but not "extremely difficult". I pulled it off numerous times and I ain't a professional mycologist! They are fussier regarding their environment, you have to get the temperature and humidity right and get some air flow going to stop carbon dioxide building up which is highly detrimental to fruiting. Think I'm gonna do a grow soon and I will be sure to document it and take pics and stuff and share it on here as a tek so others can grow this species if they wish. As well as being very special, very potent mushrooms, they finish in less time than cubensis and they store very well in the long term when dried without losing potency. Their spore prints also remain viable for a long time...the guy who taught me how to grow these beauties has a spore print of these that was ten years old and still producing viable spores.
I have only sampled the Hawaiian strain of Pan cyans, and it seems that there are much wider variations in the biochemistry between strains of Pan cyans than there is between cubensis strains, with some people finding them quite dark, others finding them crystalline and beautiful. I don't think the Mazatec hold cubensis in particularly high regard...perhaps because it is introduced, or perhaps because it grows on dung, but it is one of the least favoured for shamanic use, when compared to something like Psilocybe mexicana. The Hawaiian strain that I am familiar with is meant to have a very high ratio of psilocybin over psilocin. This must explain why they keep their potency so well, as psilocin is a much more fragile molecule. I would recommend to people that are seriously into their mushrooms consider sampling other species and strains and find what they are most compatible with.
jamie said:Ringworm said:Pan cyan, Psil azure et el are a much higher experience then cubensis. After a handful of journeys with azures for instance I don't bother picking cubes despite their local availability.
I have nto worked with psilocybe azurescens, but I have worked alot with psilocybe cyanescens and cubes and cyans are more clear like DMT..not hat cubes are not like DMT as well..but psilo cyans are much more potent. .5g of cyans is like 2g of cubes but cleaner.
Azures though I lost interest in after many people claimed to have muslce seizures with them and had to stop taking them.
SnozzleBerry said:This is far from what I understand to be true.behindthelight said:Bancopuma said:Also if you can grow cubensis from scratch you can definitely grow Pan cyans.
This is definitely false. They are extremely difficult to grow. Nothing like cubes.
While they do require careful attention to certain aspects that cubes do not, there are many similarities. For example, if you choose to not make an initial poo substrate to inoculate in jars/bags:
You can make an lc (such as 2-4% karo solution) and inoculate with spores, just like cubes
You can inoculate rye/wbs with either Pan multispore or lc, just like cubes
You can spawn to bulk sub (although it should include cow/horse poo), just like cubes
Then it gets different, you pretty much need a casing layer, albeit a thin one, afaik. Additionally, from what I understand, you want fruiting conditions to be high in both humidity and air exchange and you do not want to mist once pins appear, as doing so will cause the pins to abort. Theoretically you also want slightly warmer temps than cubes through the spawn run/casing/pinning...but I've heard that they do just fine in the same temperature parameters as cubes and seen grows that appear to demonstrate this to be true.