PanoraMIX european a/b

[Trickster]

SWIM has some questions re. use of water.

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* 1000ml [[Distilled water]]

You only use 500 ml in the tek. Did SWIM miss something?

Also why use even those 500 ml? Why not to add NaOH strait to the soaked MHRB?

 

[panoramix]

hola
I addid the tek. thenkx for the headsup

greedr pano

 

[Spiceman]

Does A/B increase yield that much?? compared to STB?

Or is A/B better due to not having to have to use as much NaOH therefor working with lower pHs?

Yes, ...... swim has always had much better yeilds, of much cleaner, and even against logic, higher "quality" spice from ab's.

Control experiments have been done side by side with the only variable being an acid phase (1.5 hr steep in ph 4 acidified water) vs. the same - minus the acid phase, a 1.5 hour steep in hot basic h20 substituted.

Extractions continued per norm.... yeild and quality was better with the acid worked bark. It has proven this time and time again.

Also swim has performed literrally dozens of tests regarding ph conditions and its effects on yeild and quality and no changes were noted in either yeild or quality regardless of the time the alkaloids were exposed to these conditions. (*" except for a gallon of only half exhausted soup (highly basic, above 13) covered in di-ethyl ether that swim once misplaced. It was found over about 2 years later and swim removed the ether and attempted freeze precipitation... it yeilded gooey looking shit so it was combined back with the rest of the solvent and it was all left to evap... it left horribly gooey greasey looking shit. Swim cleaned it up, leaving off white/yellowish powder and smoked it... it resembled homemade dmt-n-oxide in all respects, especially the fact that it was for the most part insoluble in naptha, except for a good portion of the gooey material.

Swim once mixed up 300 gr powdered mhrb in ph 13.6 (with naoh) and allowed to sit for 90 days..(solvent was added on day 45)allowed to sit another 45 day for 90 total. Extracted... result was thick orange colored oil that smelled strongly of spice. This material would not harden or crystallize in any manner . Weight was astrnomical... somewhere up in the 12 gram range ....

After cleaning ... the spice was stained irretrevably yellow no matter how many cleaning procedurs were used ... even back extracting into acidic water left the reulting spice yellow/orange. Final weight of cleaned /refined spice from this good was 2.8 grams.....


this is just a good example of what happens with stb teks.. all the fat and cellulosic material comes out with the goodies...

essentially with an a/b .. most of that crap is left locked in the bark material and the alkaloids are extracted out. With stb's you have to get the alk's quickly or else oils start migrating over in mass. Having to do that so quckly often times leaves behind a good deal of alaloids.

I wont even get into how much cleaner and prettier a/b crystals are over stb xtals are. Peace.

 

[Vularin]

Here's Pano's Tek with pictures! Made very simple so everyone can do it!
SWIM has omitted some items that are hard to get or anoying to use like filters and ammonia.
(also SWIM uses a bit more NaCI to make sure no emulsion will form.

Ingredients:
* 100g [[MHRB]] (galactictoad ebay)
* 500ml [[Distilled water]] (gedeminiraliseerd water, kruidvat of Albert Heijn)
* 300ml [[Naptha]] (Wasbenzine, Kruidvat)
* 100g [[NaOH]] (Lye) (Gootsteenonstopper, Kruidvat)
* 400ml [[5% Vinegar]] (Natuur azijn, Albert Heijn)

Items:
- Messurementcup (Blokker)
- 50 ml seringe (Apotheek)
- 700 ml jar (Appelmoes, Albert Heijn)
- 2 liter HPDE jug (sinasappelsap, Albert Heijn)

 

[Vularin]

Here is a picture by picture step by step!

1- the setup of doing 2 sets! the bark has soaked 4 days in the vinager
2-making base 2-h20 + NaCI, wear goggles kids!
3-add base to bark vinager mixture
4-put some naptha/wasbezine in hot water
5-added the naptha/wasbenzine to mixture
6-starting to separete!!
7-put in your sink to keep warm with hot tap water

.... after you have added the naptha/wasbezine roll the solution to mix it.
use 200 ml op naptha per pull cause it easier to handle. SWIM does 4 pull in total

 

[Vularin]

This is SWIM seperation setup,

-Decant from the HPDE jug into first beerglass
-Some bark will fall into the first beerglass but you can decant into the second beerglass and have no bark anymore
-Then decant into the jar, that goes into the freezer when full

SWIM uses stolen beer glasses and decant into the next glas,
you dont really need the seringe but it handy to get those last drops out...

 

[Vularin]

The result!

after a overnight in the freezer and decanted the naptha...

...2 jars full of spice each has about 1,5 grams of dmt!



Second picture is a little tip for recrystalisation if you dont have a fan, use your oven fan, dont switch on the heat tho

 

[panoramix]

hola

thenkx for the picts vularin i appreciate it

and thenkx for the evap tip.


greeder pano

 

[mumbles]

Swim once mixed up 300 gr powdered mhrb in ph 13.6 (with naoh) and allowed to sit for 90 days..(solvent was added on day 45)allowed to sit another 45 day for 90 total. Extracted... result was thick orange colored oil that smelled strongly of spice. This material would not harden or crystallize in any manner . Weight was astrnomical... somewhere up in the 12 gram range ....

After cleaning ... the spice was stained irretrevably yellow no matter how many cleaning procedurs were used ... even back extracting into acidic water left the reulting spice yellow/orange. Final weight of cleaned /refined spice from this good was 2.8 grams.....


this is just a good example of what happens with stb teks.. all the fat and cellulosic material comes out with the goodies...

Zing. This is why people have a hard on for STB, they don't realise how much of their yield is rubbish that should be removed, then they are amazed they can smoke 100mg and get little effect :d

 

[Trickster]

SWIM is doing PanoraMIX tek on 100g of prepowdered MHRB. She soaked the bark in vinegar for 1 day using magnetic stirrer. The mix was heated to 60C. Then she added basified water and stirred for 15 min. After that she added 100ml heptane and left it for the night. Heptane has separated but its color is dark brown. Is it normal?

 

[Trickster]

SWIM's told me that she's collected heptane and tried to reduce it to 50% of the original volume for freeze-precip by putting it on a hoplate. Soon she noticed that heptane become gooey. There are gel-like blobs floating in it. Its color is brown. Looks like she's extracted too much of unwanted stuff. Is there a way to save the extraction?

 

[panoramix]

hay

whell if u whant to save the extraction let the gooy stuff ivap an pul agean with haptaan. 2 puls 100-200ml haptaan avetry 15 min.


i wold like to know way SWIM whatet so long for the first pull do your puls with hot haptaan and a hot bark mix and pul every 15 min 4x this wil get the nice stuf out and not the bad stuff

if u do more puls let them sit for 12-24hours but freez pricp apart from the rest.
then u can clean them wish rextalzation or a sodium carbonate wash.

greeder Pano

 

[Trickster]

hay

whell if u whant to save the extraction let the gooy stuff ivap an pul agean with haptaan. 2 puls 100-200ml haptaan avetry 15 min.

Well, the gooey stuff is mostly heptane. It is dark brown and has syrupy consistence. Maybe SWIM should try to freeze-precip it first and then to re-crysttalize it, or do an A/B extraction on it?

i wold like to know way SWIM whatet so long for the first pull do your puls with hot haptaan and a hot bark mix and pul every 15 min 4x this wil get the nice stuf out and not the bad stuff

She thought it might increase yield or at least would do no harm. Looks like heptane pulled a lot of plant oils as well. Or maybe heating and viforously stirring for 24 hours did that.

if u do more puls let them sit for 12-24hours but freez pricp apart from the rest.
then u can clean them wish rextalzation or a sodium carbonate wash.

Looks like SWIM will have to combine all pulls and try to clean the whole bunch.

 

[Trickster]

Look how different 1st and 2nd+3rd pulls are.

 

[panoramix]

hay

locks colorfull

i think if u combine and wash it all you wil not have very clean spice.
so i sugest do another a/b extraction on it.
so lets sey 500ml of vinigar and ad the haptaan to the vinigar sheak it for 10min, ad base an bull agean with haptaan.

greeder panoramiox

ps btw ware u @

 

[Trickster]

hay

locks colorfull

i think if u combine and wash it all you wil not have very clean spice.
so i sugest do another a/b extraction on it.
so lets sey 500ml of vinigar and ad the haptaan to the vinigar sheak it for 10min, ad base an bull agean with haptaan.

SWIM asked me to say thanks.

She will be doin another A/B as you suggested.

To what Ph she should base the vinegar solution?

She had another interesting observation. After 70% reduction yellow heptane was put in a fridge and later in a freezer. Some crystals precipitated but they were sitting on a layer of brown goo. To check if it is spice she heated the solvent almost to the bp. The goo did not dissolve. SWIM concluded that the goo is not spice and decanted it. She hopes she did not lose anything useful.

 

[panoramix]

SWIM smoket the gooy stuff with spice ones (SWIM evapt it all)
and its very intens so SWIM thinks its JIMJAM (jungle+spice)
for the ph on acidfy i wold say 3-4PH. SWIM uses this PH for every acid soak.

btw whare u @ US ?

greeder pano

 

[Trickster]

hay

locks colorfull

i think if u combine and wash it all you wil not have very clean spice.
so i sugest do another a/b extraction on it.
so lets sey 500ml of vinigar and ad the haptaan to the vinigar sheak it for 10min, ad base an bull agean with haptaan.

SWIM did almost as you said. She added vinegar, stirred for 20 min (see pic.), then she let it sit overnight to settle. As you may notice there was a lot of emulsion that consisted mostly of heptane. Heptane and emulsion were set aside. Later the emulsion settled almost completely.

Next day SWIM based the vinegar solution with lye until she got Ph 12.8. Surprisingly the solution color changed to milky-white.

Then SWIM proceeded to do four pulls with hot heptane 30 ml each, reduced combined pulls to 25ml and freeze-precipped. Finally she got 1.135 g of quite smokeable light-yellow small crystals. In the end aqueous solution color became tea-like.

Thank you, Panoramix.

P.S. This batch of mhrb is from Pedro and consistently yields over 1% of good spice (1.14% last time). Maybe a bit too much fat.

 

[panoramix]

u are welkom trickster.

the spice locks nice

and 1.135gr is nice to i get 1.5gr most of the time. but i think its becouse you hade a detoor and needed to do another a/b.

i hope you like the tek.

greeder panoramix

 

[Yengu]

Here's Pano's Tek with pictures! Made very simple so everyone can do it!
SWIM has omitted some items that are hard to get or anoying to use like filters and ammonia.
(also SWIM uses a bit more NaCI to make sure no emulsion will form.

Ingredients:
* 100g [[MHRB]] (galactictoad ebay)
* 500ml [[Distilled water]] (gedeminiraliseerd water, kruidvat of Albert Heijn)
* 300ml [[Naptha]] (Wasbenzine, Kruidvat)
* 100g [[NaOH]] (Lye) (Gootsteenonstopper, Kruidvat)
* 400ml [[5% Vinegar]] (Natuur azijn, Albert Heijn)

Items:
- Messurementcup (Blokker)
- 50 ml seringe (Apotheek)
- 700 ml jar (Appelmoes, Albert Heijn)
- 2 liter HPDE jug (sinasappelsap, Albert Heijn)

This is extremely useful. THank you very much.