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PanoraMIX HBWR Extract

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69ron said:
panoramix said:
whel pips i whas doing a experiment on some lsa seeds and found it very intresting this what i did

i toke 100 seeds and did 4 defats until naptha came off clean.
than i did 2 h2o extractions eath for about 12 hours i combind the 2 extractions.
i filtert it 5 times to make very clean.

next what i did is, made a base saltion with h2o and some sodium carbonate. and ad it slowly to de extractions until the color changed, than i put the extraction in the frezzer and last it steant for 3 hourse.
then when i got it out of the feezer th color whas cheanst agean an thare ware some crasht out particals. on the bothem. i set it all in the frige ceap it cool. after a day there was a lot of particals crasht out.

what te do
i wil filter it all out and let it dry maby even clean it some more.

i ceap everting u to date

greeder pano
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My guess is that the crystals that crashed out are not LSA. LSA is very water soluble, even as a freebase base alkaloid. I would be amazed if it actually was LSA.
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Can it be the sodium carbonate that crashed out then?


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
Sodium carbonate crashing out? That's possible if too much was added.

My guess is that it's an alkaloid other than LSA. It could be LSH. LSH is much less water soluble than LSA is.

If it's LSH, that would be fantastic.

LSA has an XLogP3 of 1.6

LSH has an XLogP3 of 1.9, meaning it's less water soluble.

I wish I had the solubility data for both, but I don't. From what I read, it's very hard to extract LSA in an A/B because it's so water soluble. I don't know anything about the solubility of LSH other than it's XLogP3.
 
Maybe it is LSA, and what I read is wrong.

Can someone verify this? If the crystals are actually LSA or even LSH, that would be fantastic.
 
What about dissolving the powder in rum, to use as a sublingual tincture? I've read somewhere that sublingual use is possible, so this seems like a feassible way to create a standardized LSH tincture.
 
whel i dryed the chrasht out particals and its a brouwn powder. there ar no xtals present so i do nt know wat it is.

i wil wash it agean and see what hapents

greeder pano
 
btw 69ron

LSA has an XLogP3 of 1.6

LSH has an XLogP3 of 1.9, meaning it's less water soluble.
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how do you calc the XLogP3.
i ink this wil b very handy to know.

thenkx
greeder pano
 
panoramix said:
btw 69ron

LSA has an XLogP3 of 1.6

LSH has an XLogP3 of 1.9, meaning it's less water soluble.
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how do you calc the XLogP3.
i ink this wil b very handy to know.

thenkx
greeder pano
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It's very complicated. I just look up the chemical on PubChem. They have pretty much every chemical there is.

Here's LSH on PubChem:

pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

003343155

Substance record SID 710792 for 003343155 submitted by ChemIDplus.
pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here's LSA:

pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

478-94-4

Substance record SID 11352 for 478-94-4 submitted by KEGG.
pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here's DMT:

pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

1H-Indole-3-ethanamine, N,N-dimethyl-

Substance record SID 49983960 for 1H-Indole-3-ethanamine, N,N-dimethyl- submitted by LeadScope.
pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
for dosing the LSA 69ron wrote

69ron wrote:
Yes, it's VERY POTENT. You should dilute it before using it. You should use no more than 5% of that yellow residue for your first try.

Let’s do the math.

You used 100 HBWR seeds. Each seed weighs about 105 mg. So you used about 10.5 grams of seeds. HBWR contains about 0.136% alkaloids. So from 10.5 grams, that’s about 14.28 mg of alkaloids.

So, you should have something like 14 mg of alkaloids in that yellow residue. That’s a very small amount of alkaloids, but enough to make you seriously sick, maybe even kill you. I’ve never heard of someone taking 100 potent HBWR seeds before.

Consider that many people find 10 seeds to be a near overdose. 10 seeds would contain only 1.4 mg of alkaloids. That’s a very tiny amount. SWIM gets very decent effects from as little as 3 seeds. That’s only about 0.42 mg!

The fact is that the extract is more potent than LSA is alone. No one knows exactly why, or which alkaloid is the main active alkaloid. The potency of a pure alkaloid mix from these seeds is very close to the potency of LSD. An active dose can actually fit on blotter paper! Your yellow residue isn’t pure alkaloids, but it’s still very potent. Be careful using it.

I advise that you dissolve your residue in drinkable alcohol and divide that into 20 doses. Don’t take more than 1 dose for your first try. Everyone is affected different. For some people (like SWIM), 1 dose will be very strong. Others will need 2-3 doses. SWIM would not want to take 2 doses. That would be a near overdose for SWIM.
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I have a question , This is about lsa extraction but not hbwr.
Im asking about the Morning Glory (Ipomoea violacea)

If you have tried the alcahol extraction on them?
I dont think they have any nausea so there might not be a need to defat.

I came across some find on erowid : http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_extraction1.shtml

It seemed pretty interesting , also if som1 can answer with a percentage of the lsa/lsh in hbwr and mg(iv).
 
69ron said:
panoramix said:
whel pips i whas doing a experiment on some lsa seeds and found it very intresting this what i did

i toke 100 seeds and did 4 defats until naptha came off clean.
than i did 2 h2o extractions eath for about 12 hours i combind the 2 extractions.
i filtert it 5 times to make very clean.

next what i did is, made a base saltion with h2o and some sodium carbonate. and ad it slowly to de extractions until the color changed, than i put the extraction in the frezzer and last it steant for 3 hourse.
then when i got it out of the feezer th color whas cheanst agean an thare ware some crasht out particals. on the bothem. i set it all in the frige ceap it cool. after a day there was a lot of particals crasht out.

what te do
i wil filter it all out and let it dry maby even clean it some more.

i ceap everting u to date

greeder pano
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My guess is that the crystals that crashed out are not LSA. LSA is very water soluble, even as a freebase alkaloid. I would be amazed if it actually was LSA.
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Freebased LSA will crush out of a basic solution. There is a certain forum around the interweb's that has a huge thread going that is about making "lysergicrackrocks" as they call them. The basis for the extraction is the fact that LSA slowly crash out of water.
 
VisualDistortion said:
69ron said:
panoramix said:
whel pips i whas doing a experiment on some lsa seeds and found it very intresting this what i did

i toke 100 seeds and did 4 defats until naptha came off clean.
than i did 2 h2o extractions eath for about 12 hours i combind the 2 extractions.
i filtert it 5 times to make very clean.

next what i did is, made a base saltion with h2o and some sodium carbonate. and ad it slowly to de extractions until the color changed, than i put the extraction in the frezzer and last it steant for 3 hourse.
then when i got it out of the feezer th color whas cheanst agean an thare ware some crasht out particals. on the bothem. i set it all in the frige ceap it cool. after a day there was a lot of particals crasht out.

what te do
i wil filter it all out and let it dry maby even clean it some more.

i ceap everting u to date

greeder pano
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My guess is that the crystals that crashed out are not LSA. LSA is very water soluble, even as a freebase alkaloid. I would be amazed if it actually was LSA.
Click to expand...

Freebased LSA will crush out of a basic solution. There is a certain forum around the interweb's that has a huge thread going that is about making "lysergicrackrocks" as they call them. The basis for the extraction is the fact that LSA slowly crash out of water.
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So was it tested and found it was actually LSA and not LSH? LSH is more likely to crash out than LSA is. Freebase LSA is very water soluble (but in basic solution, I’m not so sure). Also LSA is a sedative. If the end result was very sedating and lethargic, for sure it was LSA. But if it was stimulating and psychedelic, it was LSH most likely.
 
VisualDistortion said:
Freebased LSA will crush out of a basic solution. There is a certain forum around the interweb's that has a huge thread going that is about making "lysergicrackrocks" as they call them. The basis for the extraction is the fact that LSA slowly crash out of water.
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"Its so good to hear it ! " 😉


edit: So we could possibly aid the crashing out from solution by adding acetaldehyde to the water ... :?:
 
Im confused about the use of vodka or everclear, for liquid do you leave it as a tincture or do you evap it
i originally thought tincture but the tek said something about until solids form?
 
Can someone answer this simple question:
i will be doing this extraction on 50 seeds. this tek says to do 10 naptha pulls for acetone/IPA on 250 seeds. So since i'm doing the extraction on only 50 seeds, would 3 naptha pulls be enough to remove the nauseating chemicals? if not, then how many should i do?(running low on naptha)

Also, can this naptha be re-used for anything? can i somehow wash the naptha, and re-use it for pulls on HBWR once again?
if that's not possible, then is it possible to wash the naptha, and use it for Mimosa extraction?
If either are possible, then could someone please also tell the procedure to clean the naptha. thanks a lot guys:d
 
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