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Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) Ineffective?

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I recently received an order of syrian rue seeds and extract from the vendor Heavenly Products

I purchased all three of these products, and have taken all three. Friday, I consumed 4 gel caps of the 10X extract without any effects, and just 90 minutes ago I drank a tea of 3 grams of seeds, without any effects. I'm slightly confused about this, mostly because of everything I've gathered from trip reports. Even with a DMT-containing admixture, I've not had success. Thoughts?
 
Sounds like either your rue is inert or you're doing something wrong.

Rue is actually damn cheap if you acquire it from an Iranian grocery store instead of an online vendor. This allows you to chuck 20g+ of seeds into the pot at once and saturate the shit outta your tea so you don't have to worry about whether it will work or not.

I always found that boiling 3-10g at one time tended to fail quite a lot. Soon as I started saturating the tea with a lotta rue this ceased to be a problem.

Less likely still, your DMT admixture is inert. Or if you're really unlucky, all your materials are inert! But most likely, your technique is wrong.

Different brews of the same batch can really vary wildly in potency until you get your brewing technique locked down solid.
 
Maybe I need to use more rue? I've brewed mimosahuasca several times now and have had mind-blowing experiencing, and have drank ayahuasca with results also. I'm comfortable with extraction and preparation procedures, but I have not yet gotten syrian rue to work for me. If monoamine oxidase inhibition can be achieved from eating raw seeds, I'm certain that it's difficult to botch any method of preparation. I've emailed the vendor for an explanation and I hope, but I doubt that will accomplish anything. I could try another source, but I haven't yet been let down by the caapi vine so it's not likely that I will in the near future.
 
Hmm...

It's quite interesting that you have had success with caapi, but the rue isn't doing the trick. I find MAOI effects with rue to be much more efficent at 3g, whereas with caapi I've been known to need up to 150g's of plant.

Without more evidence, I'd hash a guess at your batch of rue being inferior.
 
Yeah, up the rue dosage. Be careful with this because too high a dose is very uncomfortable. Ironically if you do happen to get into that dreaded high-intensity zone of the rue, then chugging the admixture will remove the discomfort totally. Although you'll have to ride through the initial discomfort of that for a little while but it's damn well worth it - my most profound & rejuvenating experiences generally have come from accidentally taking an overdose of rue and following through.

I'd recommend chucking a lot of rue into the pot as I said earlier. Then boil it down till it's a very intense and opaque green that absolutely reeks to high hell - if it doesn't make you gag and shudder just thinking about the smell, it's not concentrated enough. Then just take half or three quarters a shot-glass worth of that and you should be good to go.
 
Terrific. I have about an ounce of seeds to work with. I actually may or may not have gotten results with 3 grams of rue just yestersday evening since my last post, so hopefully I can get my facts straight. I am at least positive that the 10X extract is not any more potent that the seeds themselves. Anyway, I consumed a tea of 3g boiled, crushed seeds in acidic solution at 5 pm and felt absolutely nothing 90 minuted later, at which time I created this thread. I wrapped a few things up and accomplished some odds and ends, and still feeling nothing at 8 pm I decided to finish a tea I'd prepared the previous day of black caapi vine and mimosa.

I'd estimate that I drank less than 1/4 by volume of whatever amount of b. caapi tea I'd originally prepared from 56 grams of whole vine, and maybe 3/4 of mimosa tea I'd prepared from 10 grams. Not 15 min. later, I had an unexpected visitor while I felt the effects coming on. Maybe that situation sobered me up but I think I handled it well, and I was alone again 20 min. later. Over the next two hours, I have an all too familiar neurotic episode that slowly builds into psychosis, and I also ride a wave of nausea that I just can't shake. I usually just continue on in this state until things the effects subside, but this time decide to rewrite the script, and instead of fighting myself and the chemicals I give up and just accept that I've been through this before and everything just has to run its course. I flip off the lights and retire to bed, and for the next hour I just shut my eyes and let go. I have no idea if I had actually fallen asleep or remained awake, but the nausea and fear and panic just melted away and were replaced with complete calm and serenity. I think I finally let go and was reward for it.

Did the syrian rue works it's magic? I think it must have, but I did also take some b. caapi. I don't think I drank enough, though, to have had a full blown trip, and this journey was slightly different than the one b.caapi takes me on. I was testing the waters with syrian rue before I took the admixture, but I didn't feel anything so I assumed it wasn't working. I know from experience that the caapi vine is psychoactive on its own, so I expected syrian rue was also active on its own. Also, is it possible that the syrian rue was still working as an MAOI that long after I consumed it?
 
You say you took mimosahuasca and got results, but what exactly are you taking with the rue? It seems like with a decent dose of spice you should be getting some results. But it sounds like you are expecting results from rue alone, which would certainly not do anything at those low doses. I know this might sound like a stupid question, but based on what you said, all we can assume is that you only took rue. 3g of rue might be a rule of thumb for some people, but that is still a small dose and would hardly be noticeable on its own. MAO inhibition will last for hours, usually between 1-2 hours in the stomach and around 3 more hours everywhere else after absorption. After dosing with the mimosahuasca, you were mostly already inhibited.
 
At this point, this thread is irrelevant. Last week, I had taken 2 grams of 10X syrian rue extract and had expected psychoactive results, if only slightly, but instead I felt nothing. The following day, I drank a boiled acidic mixture of 3g of rue seeds, a non-psychoactive dose, and then I started this thread. I had expected to feel SOMETHING from the peganum harmala because I've previously felt effects from caapi-only brews, so I became confused and wondered what I'd done wrong. 3 hours later I drank a very small amount of caapi with a mimosa admixture and tripped for 3+ hours, so I'm assuming the rue worked for me.
 
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