ph measurement with nomans tek?

[tony3289]

So swim just grinded up 100g of acacia confusa and he plans to use Normans tek for the extraction, should swim measure the ph of the water with the sodium hydroxide water? And if so to what ph? 14?

 

[Ancient Realms]

i wouldn't use nomans tek because its a STB (straight to base)

you should use an A/B tek (acid/base) because confusa will need a defat

 

[tony3289]

That's what I thought but someone on here told me to just use nomans

 

[Ancient Realms]

thats weird :surprised just wait for someone else to post because i could be wrong.

 

[tony3289]

I'm pretty sure you are right from everything I read on here you have to defat the confusa because it has has more oils.

 

[Sykosis]

Yea tony if I was in your position I would be doing an Acid/Base extraction as you'll want to defat your acacia. Proceed like any normal mimosa based A/B Tek and before you basify your acidic solution do 2-3 pulls with naphtha to remove any unwanted plant oils. your DMT will be in it's water soluble salt form and remain in the acidic solution, then discard the naphtha. Basify your acidic solution to Ph 13-14 then pull again with fresh naphtha.
DMT hates being in a basic solution so it won't leave the acidic solution until it's been basified.
Then once your DMT is suspended in the naphtha do a sodium carbonate wash to remove any residual impurities, freeze or evap and enjoy

Hope it Helps.

 

[tony3289]

Thanks interloper for the acidic solution should I adjust the ph to 1? And what would be the best option for the acid vinegar or citric acid?

 

[Sykosis]

You'd want the Ph of your acidic solution to be around Ph 2-4. you can use basically whatever acid you want as long as you get the Ph where you need it your fine I'd suggest White Vinegar as it's cheapest. you could do a second defatting but I'm confident you'll be fine with just the one defat stage. keep us posted on your progress.

You could use Vovin' Tek or LexTek as a reference to help you with the process but I don't think any of them include a defatting stage.

Hope it helps.

 

[d*l*b]

A. confusa does not need a defat.

It does however have a mixed alkaloid profile so you will see NMT get extracted too, this is probably where people get the fat idea from as it comes out as a light amber oily product. It is active.

I would do Marsofold on it, but not bother with the defats.

 

[Sykosis]

A. confusa does not need a defat.

It does however have a mixed alkaloid profile so you will see NMT get extracted too, this is probably where people get the fat idea from as it comes out as a light amber oily product. It is active.

I would do Marsofold on it, but not bother with the defats.

Thanks d*l*b, just needed someone to hint me in the right direction.

Yup he's right upon some more research into Acacia it does contain a fair bit of NMT and other alkaloids.
So save yourself some hassle and don't do a defat.
you'll likely have to evap your solvent and scrap up the goo because NMT is hard to crystallize.
So I would proceed with Marsofold's Tek and of course don't do the Ammonia wash do a sodium carb wash instead.

 

[d*l*b]

I found you can do a crude separation of the products, it seems at least some NMT drops out at room temp (at least with quite concentrated solutions), you can drop it out, decant and then freeze precipate the decanted solution.

I threw away a lot of my oily NMT/DMT mix thinking it was lost before I realised it was NMT (and possibly other stuff I suppose) and was really quite active. It has been reported on here that A. confusa is active in a tea without MAOI, interesting plant A. confusa, shame I extracted all my bark!

Acacia confusa & Formosahuasca

 

[Sykosis]

I found you can do a crude separation of the products, it seems at least some NMT drops out at room temp (at least with quite concentrated solutions), you can drop it out, decant and then freeze precipate the decanted solution.

I threw away a lot of my oily NMT/DMT mix thinking it was lost before I realised it was NMT (and possibly other stuff I suppose) and was really quite active. It has been reported on here that A. confusa is active in a tea without MAOI, interesting plant A. confusa, shame I extracted all my bark!

Acacia confusa & Formosahuasca

Sorry for Hijacking your thread Tony...

Yea I've read some reports of people having great success with evaping down to 1/4 the original volume and freezing. Personally I've only ever extracted from Mimosa. I hear people say that DMT extracted from Acacias have a Different "feel" to them, how true is that statement?
I've thought about extracting from some acacia but I personally have no trouble finding mimosa so I just stick to that, however you've sparked my interest once again so maybe I will give it a go.

 

[tony3289]

So swim decided to go with nomans tek for this one and after 2 pulls the naptha turned milky white, not sure if that's a good sign or not, but swim plans to let it evap a lil then freeze precipitate.

 

[tony3289]

Swim got it reduced half way and stuck it in the freezer, and plans on leaving it in there for 48-72 hours. It reduced to a urine yellow color. Swim also did another pull after heating the bark solution up in a hot bath.