Pharmahuasca

[Zig]

I am especially prone to nausea, but I am willing to let go of that downside to give ayahuasca a go. I have a few good friends that respect the substance as I do and are ready to partake in an authentic aya ceremony.

I have plenty of MHRB and I was about to order some of the vine when I came across the idea of pure harmallas, I looked at Flowing visions and a few other sites for pure harmalla extract. It looks to easy to pass up, and people say there is little to no nausea? sounds too good to be true.

Pharmahuasca is just pure harmallas (Such as the extracts sold on several of these websites) and some pure spice either taken in a capsule or mixed in orange juice or something....right?

To me this idea seems very easy compared to 9+ hours at the stove. I do understand that it is all part of the experience. I understand the "bond" one can have when working with the plants.

Both aya and pharma seem like viable options.....but for me, a beginner I believe just getting some already extracted harmallas and taking them with my straight DMT seems like a foolproof plan for my first journey of this sort.


Does anybody have any input, did I get any of my facts wrong? If not I am jittery with childlike excitement for my first pharma journey.


Edit: One last question, If one was to take a harmalla extract before vaped DMT the experience is much longer right? I have found much conflicting information on this and I have read the smoked experience i increased by a few minutes, but I have also read about people being in hyperspace for hours at a time.

 

[Samadhi-Sukha-Upekkha]

"I am especially prone to nausea, but I am willing to let go of that downside to give ayahuasca a go. I have a few good friends that respect the substance as I do and are ready to partake in an authentic aya ceremony."
If you eat several grams of fresh ginger about an hour before taking the alkaloids, and another few grams together with the alkaloids, this should reliably knock out nausea. Another option is to take up to 3 datura inoxia seeds. (Those two options aren't mutually exclusive.) Please be careful with datura and do your research thoroughly before using it. It can be perfectly safe, but you BETTER know what dose range is safe and what isn't. =)

"I have plenty of MHRB and I was about to order some of the vine when I came across the idea of pure harmallas, I looked at Flowing visions and a few other sites for pure harmalla extract. It looks to easy to pass up, and people say there is little to no nausea? sounds too good to be true.

Pharmahuasca is just pure harmallas (Such as the extracts sold on several of these websites) and some pure spice either taken in a capsule or mixed in orange juice or something....right?"
That's one way to do pharmahuasca. It frequently has much less nausea than actual ayahuasca. Some people report none at all. My friend wishes he had been so lucky... But really, pharmahuasca done with orange juice and with enough ginger should be fine. I believe ginger has compounds which prevent alkaloids from stimulating the serotonin receptors in the digestive tract. Presumably, the serotonin signalling triggered by the alkaloids is how nausea can happen even with nothing but pure harmalas and spice.

Datura, btw, does not work the same way. Its anti-nausea effects work by inhibiting the nausea centers in the brain, if I recall correctly.

Pharmahuasca can also refer to taking spice together with other MAOIs, commonly moclobemide.

"One last question, If one was to take a harmalla extract before vaped DMT the experience is much longer right? I have found much conflicting information on this and I have read the smoked experience i increased by a few minutes, but I have also read about people being in hyperspace for hours at a time."

My understanding is that taking harmalas, especially sublingually, does increase the strength and duration of hyperspace but not for hours, at least, not at the doses I've heard about. However, one can stay in hyperspace for hours by bumping the dose up periodically, i.e., every 30 minutes or so.

Whether you ingest the spice or smoke it, please have a sitter any time you plan to be in hyperspace for hours! Especially if you plan to smoke some every thirty minutes while you're still in hyperspace -- loss of motor coordination could lead to nasty burns if someone sober isn't there to help you out.


Best of luck!

 

[gammagore]

Aya and pharma effect people differently. Aya has quite a long lasting afterglow, longer than pharma. As you said Aya and the 9 hour brew do play a part in the outcome of the Aya journey.

Anyway, if you want to go for pharma first, then do that, sounds like a good plan. Start low and work your way up.

Nausea, I get it most of the time, and to be honest, ive had some of the most profound moments while doing the deed. Ive come to like purging. It can be very rewarding.

Harmala's before vaped spice, yes they work, all harmala's have a differnt effect. You just gotta work with it and find what works for you best My advice with this is: When try'ing the Pharma first time, if you dont get to the desired levels(sweet spot), have a bowl of changa/spice ready to vape. Might aswell make use of the harmala's. Either way, I always have my GVG loaded with some changa during a pharma journey, either toke on it if im not where I want to be, or for the tailend of the journey.

Happy travels, and be safe