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Not sure if posting my trip report is appropriate here or separate thread. So I tried the heptane fraction shown above which is likely less than 1mg. A day after it was a much darker tone almost brown.


0h took 200mg harmala tea

15m took the tiny amount from the heptane fraction. Liked the blade a bunch and washed down with water.

25m appetite increase? Very subtle energy boost could just be placebo

30m the energy boost is more like a weak time dilution … but I’m either thinking a little slower or moving faster then “normal” slight high pitch ringing(Tinnitus?)

35m slight pressure on forehead area… not pain like inflating (meditating I sometimes get this)

I think there is a delayed responsiveness rather than time distortion… steam and heat which tend to react almost like instantly I have a delay… not dulled pain just delayed reaction time or perception of the pain?


45m so I do have a shift in mental state. Not from the harmalas having experienced it many times. Taste is more appreciated with minor flavors coming to foreground.

Memories are easily recalled which I haven’t thought of in years.



1h speech and thinking isn’t “enhanced” but very well wired and structured. Not speed-like whatsoever ever but what I thought nootropics were based on descriptions online. More talkative but I don’t think excessively.



1h10m I feel slight vascular constriction on my biceps on the outer edge. (Remembering how a member shared 2-4h of hell with vascular construction from 2mg IM and harmalas)
I’m surprised I actually feel anything considering dose was at most 1mg ORAL but very likely sub mg.



1h15m so far zero visual enhancements. I want to try DMT in the 1-2 mg dose having read it is not visual but having antidepressant effects. Visuals based on the paper I’ve read a while back visuals seem to start at around 5mg range for some(for dmt). At 10mg dmt I’ve experienced quite visual effect with nearly zero mental change. Always with 200mg of harmalas



1h20m bladder tightening/constricting? Pain in biceps not increasing but constant

Smells are stronger… slight chest tightness not pain. I’d guess it’s my chest muscles since my heart hasn’t changed rate. Mental astuteness remains. Nothing particularly psychedelic at the dose but pretty active. Forearm seems to start constricting as well. Not unpleasant but I will need to factor this into the next time I try this with harmalas at higher dose.


1h 40m no time distortion but time feels slower. Biceps and forearms no longer have any vascular constriction and chest tightness is also gone but my left wrist has some pain… mentally I’m thinking it is a clot that is moving which can be dangerous but I don’t think I could feel that and it is likely just joint pain OR vascular constriction.


2h0m feel baseline… still have a heightened alertness but nothing more than a normal coffee with harmalas.


2H30m I feel completely baseline. Any effects now don’t feel like the extract. I drank an espresso and have the normal effects I feel. Harmalas should still be active.

3h30m to 4H I had some slight tightening or cramping in my calves... not sure if from the extract or not... no more noticeable effects from the extract since the previous update.

So I’ve never tried 5-meo so I’m unsure what to expect or if these effects are from 5-meo or the mixture of salts from the heptane fraction. The vascular constriction wasn’t very strong but was noticeable. Having already read about the member suffering from harmalas and 2mg IM I got a little worried. I’ve read reports from shulgin taking 10mg 5-meo (pure) with harmaline so have been interesting in trying myself. Read #13 Harmaline | TiHKAL · info I’ve tried mescaline at 60mg similar to his report and it was quite enjoyable. I’m going to suspect that there is another alkaloid that is increasing the effects. Someone mentioned an extraction years back placing some of the oil on a cigarette and only after a small amount smoked they were sweating profusely. So obviously mixing unknown molecules with harmalas isn’t far from safe and I’m not suggesting anyone attempt. After the xylene hcl water fraction dries I’ll attempt that with 200mg of harmala tea. I’ll need to test my ethyl acetate. I have an older portion which I know for sure is EtOAc. I’d like to test the remaining salts after 2 NP pulls of heptane and xylene to see if active with harmalas. I've a lot of interest in the salts that we tend to 'remove' when preforming extractions.

I'll probably update in a week or two with the following xylene fraction.
 
The xylene hcl water evaporated and pulled more 'stuff' but still very little ... more than the hexane fraction. I didn't get a chance to test this week. I'm a bit upset that I got so little extracted BUT these were from young plants so better than zero.
 

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So today I took the xylene hcl fraction 30 minutes after 200ml of harmala tea.

There was zero psychoactivity unlike the heptane hcl fraction. The only effect I felt was around 30m after consuming I started sweating profusely. It was very notable because thermometer shows 12C and at most temps at the time were around 19C. I was in the shade and not doing much just stand around. This is similar to the report I read from a few years back where they added the resulting oil to a cigarette and started sweating heavily without even using it all. As I'm typing this it has been 3h since taking the xylene fraction and there is zero noticeable effects. Effects of maoi should be active another hour but considering the amount of material I doubt I'll feel anything since no effect until now.

I'll allow my plants to mature and reattempt in next year. I may test teas from a leaf or two but not for the psychoactive effects but reported health benefits.
 
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So today I took the xylene hcl fraction 30 minutes after 200ml of harmala tea.

There was zero psychoactivity unlike the heptane hcl fraction. The only effect I felt was around 30m after consuming I started sweating profusely. It was very notable because thermometer shows 12C and at most temps at the time were around 19C. I was in the shade and not doing much just stand around. This is similar to the report I read from a few years back where they added the resulting oil to a cigarette and started sweating heavily without even using it all. As I'm typing this it has been 3h since taking the xylene fraction and there is zero noticeable effects. Effects of maoi should be active another hour but considering the amount of material I doubt I'll feel anything since no effect until now.

I'll allow my plants to mature and reattempt in next year. I may test teas from a leaf or two but not for the psychoactive effects but reported health benefits.
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This diaphoretic (sweat-inducing) effect would definitely be considered a useful addition to a (my) herbal pharmacopoeia. One of my main methods of fighting viral infections is to sweat them out overnight, with an extra blanket and a hot water bottle. This is almost always effective, but I would be vet interested in comparing the efficacy of a herbal diaphoretic. I also wonder if there's a chance you had some kind of latent viral infection that the herbal extract dealt with.
 
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This diaphoretic (sweat-inducing) effect would definitely be considered a useful addition to a (my) herbal pharmacopoeia. One of my main methods of fighting viral infections is to sweat them out overnight, with an extra blanket and a hot water bottle. This is almost always effective, but I would be vet interested in comparing the efficacy of a herbal diaphoretic. I also wonder if there's a chance you had some kind of latent viral infection that the herbal extract dealt with.
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Well my mother is sick so not too far fetched idea but the amount taken was minuscule. Pretty cool if that is the reason.
 
I trimmed back my plants and collected 100g fresh and dry was 30g. I did a STB this time and pulled with heptane for a few days in 100mL pulls. After collecting the now yellow heptane I tried salting with Saturated Benzoic Acid Heptane. There was zero clouding. I added more Benzoic Acid and still no clouding or precipitate. Left overnight and nothing. So I added acidic water to pull whatever is in the heptane and then added lye and pulled with only 30mL of hexane which was working perfectly with mimosa root bark. I mixed well and left if overnight then separated. I added saturated Benzoic Acid hexane solution and again ZERO clouding. So there was likely no DMT nor 5-Meo-DMT. I reduced the amount of solvent incase it was still soluble due to high volume. Currently I'm pulling with xylene the lye soup to see if anything can be salted.

My first attempt months back I salted with hcl water and pulled under 1mg of a goo this time I had more material and still zero yeild. My next and final attempt I'll use 100g DRY do acid pulled and reduce the tea then reattempt pulling.

This plant does have some active material in it. My mother made a tea with only two leaves and it caused insomnia having taken it at night. With only 1 leaf there was zero effect. Both times the tea is a golden yellow color and were made with fresh material. She mentioned she will not take it again due to causing insomnia.

Both times I've used leaves and very little to no stems only the branch that supports the leaf.
 
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So even the xylene pulls of the plant material was unsuccessful in pulling anything that would precipitate with benzoic acid. I might have been able to pull something if I did a hcl water pull but decided to just leave it as a loss. After my following 100g dry attempt in the future I'll probably give up on this plant.

I'll attempt a 2 leaf tea to see if I have the same effect as my mother. I assume that the content may be seasonal with winter having lower content so I'll try to collect my plant material during the summer.
 
So I removed this plant from my collection. I uprooted collected as much root and root nodes from the soil and dried the entire stem and leaves. I ended up with 170g DRY weight. I pressure cooked 2x 30min with some citric acid and reduced down to 400ml. Base until ph around 12-13 and pulled with heptane. I salted with benzoic acid and LESS than 1mg of powder remained after cleaning up excess benzoic acid. I am certain it is not extraction error but perhaps this plant requires a certain age or certain conditions to produce content. Another possibility is the wrong sub species or species. If 170g dry doesn't yeild even .0006% whole plant there is no point really for it to remain in my collection.

There IS something active in this plant but what it is IDK but doesn't seem to produce the yields reported in publications.
 
So one more update which doesn't make sense to me... Julian Palmer responded to a question on FB on the use of this plant... "yes the phyllodium needs to be fresh, it doesn't really work when it's dry."

I can understand a degradation or reduction of content but saying that it will only work with fresh material seems very strange to me. Unless the active molecule isn't 5-meo and is another.

EDIT: a response which I dont accept but is possible to reasoning... "some plants lose alkaloids when drying through enzymatic action" Regardless I've abandoned this plant this is more for future searches
 
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I've tried doing A/B tek(use naphtha) with Phyllodium pulchellum dry root and turned it into fumarate salt.(I have no idea what my extraction actually is, it feels different from the plant roots.) I treat it as DMT(use it with harmine) because it’s the only available dmt containing plant I can buy online legally.
 
Hello,
has anyone successfully extracted a nominal yield from the roots?

I just found an article that says that 3.26% 5-MeO-DMT and 0.1% NN-DMT was found in the root.
The results showed that the highest contents of N,N-dimethyltryptamine and 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine in the roots of the P. pulchellum that were collected in September from Guangxi, China, were 0.106 and 3.260 g × 100 g−1, respectively.
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Phytochemical Composition, Hepatoprotective, and Antioxidant Activities of Phyllodium pulchellum (L.) Desv

Does anyone have more information on this?
Or am I misunderstanding something in the paper?

And i don't know if i'm right, but i've also read that temperatures above 70 degrees celcius should be avoided for a 5-meo extraction.
That speaks against a standard a/b and even more against the pressure cooker, doesn't it?
I think all the experiments in this thread involved boiling.

Freezing and thawing could possibly be an alternative, right?
 
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Goodboy said:
nobody?
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We only have the enigmatic, one-off post immediately preceding yours:
OxaliS said:
I've tried doing A/B tek(use naphtha) with Phyllodium pulchellum dry root and turned it into fumarate salt.(I have no idea what my extraction actually is, it feels different from the plant roots.) I treat it as DMT(use it with harmine) because it’s the only available dmt containing plant I can buy online legally.
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That would appear to be sufficient information to go by, I hope.
 
So apparently depending on the locality of the Phyllodium pulchellum will indicate if the plant is active or not? I got a message on another platform which the user shared some photos and his experience making tea. He did however mentioned that the quantity needed is much higher than those reported by Julian Palmer but it was indeed active but not exceptionally strong. Apparently India and Thailand are inactive and only the Philippines are active? I'll need to check the country he mentioned but its something to this extent. Edit: this is the information that he reported to me.

Considering he used 80g fresh and had minimal but active results seems way off the reports from Julian unless they are very variable which could be the case.
 
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