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mcgettums

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What kind of sensations and when?

I normally get them at the onset of a trip, in the first 5-20 seconds and then they disappear along with my body. Some of my favorites are teeth crumbling and pins into my face/hands. My least favorite is weird heart rhythms (fluttering, beats missed, slowing to a stop)

Absolute favorite was feeling like a 3 fingered hand reached into my mouth and pulled out my soul by my wisdom teeth lol.

(sorry I posted in the wrong channel btw)
 
DMT gives it all. I get insane visions. Sometimes I get a tintinitis/dogwhistle or loud siren tone. Often in the comedown I get weird tactile hallucinations brushing my body.

In the comeup with eyes open I've had cognitive hallucinations - watching a split leaf philodendron becoming the control panel to an alien spaceship - that kind of thing.

I have had entities enter a room, walk up to me and poke my head and body with rods until they got me out of body to carry me off to the trip.

I cannot say I have had much in the way of olfactory or taste hallucinations from the spice.
 
mcgettums said:
I My least favorite is weird heart rhythms (fluttering, beats missed, slowing to a stop)
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This happens to me all the time under Ayahuasca/Oral DMT.

Sometimes I get chills, other times I get itchy. The strangest physical hallucination I've had was on my first trip, when I started to speak and it felt like something was stuck in my throat, my voice got guttural, then when I try cleared my throat and it felt like something was moving and crawling down my throat, like something alive.
 
The Hyperspace Lexicon calls that stuck in the throat feeling The Throat Marble.

sutekh_77 said:
This happens to me all the time under Ayahuasca/Oral DMT.

Sometimes I get chills, other times I get itchy. The strangest physical hallucination I've had was on my first trip, when I started to speak and it felt like something was stuck in my throat, my voice got guttural, then when I try cleared my throat and it felt like something was moving and crawling down my throat, like something alive.
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Hyperspace Lexicon The Throat Marble
 
Pandora said:
DMT gives it all. I get insane visions. Sometimes I get a tintinitis/dogwhistle or loud siren tone. Often in the comedown I get weird tactile hallucinations brushing my body.

In the comeup with eyes open I've had cognitive hallucinations - watching a split leaf philodendron becoming the control panel to an alien spaceship - that kind of thing.

I have had entities enter a room, walk up to me and poke my head and body with rods until they got me out of body to carry me off to the trip.

I cannot say I have had much in the way of olfactory or taste hallucinations from the spice.
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I've had that whistle sound intensify to a near deafening level then just stop, so wild
 
sutekh_77 said:
This happens to me all the time under Ayahuasca/Oral DMT.

Sometimes I get chills, other times I get itchy. The strangest physical hallucination I've had was on my first trip, when I started to speak and it felt like something was stuck in my throat, my voice got guttural, then when I try cleared my throat and it felt like something was moving and crawling down my throat, like something alive.
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Have you been able to speak on a full breakthrough trip? I can often communicate to people around me when I'm in the waiting room, but have only ever spoken (yelled actually) once during a breakthrough. It was also the only trip in which I've been able to see people's faces. I saw my wife and son's face that time. The only other times I've seen any sort of "humanoid" entity was just parts, an eye and a hand, both on separate occasions, and both clearly belonging to a jester.
 
Pandora said:
DMT gives it all. I get insane visions. Sometimes I get a tintinitis/dogwhistle or loud siren tone. Often in the comedown I get weird tactile hallucinations brushing my body.

In the comeup with eyes open I've had cognitive hallucinations - watching a split leaf philodendron becoming the control panel to an alien spaceship - that kind of thing.

I have had entities enter a room, walk up to me and poke my head and body with rods until they got me out of body to carry me off to the trip.

I cannot say I have had much in the way of olfactory or taste hallucinations from the spice.
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My first few times I'd get a strong metallic taste in my mouth, 100% hallucination tho. Confusing, considering how appropriately timed it was with my hits lol
 
mcgettums said:
Have you been able to speak on a full breakthrough trip? I can often communicate to people around me when I'm in the waiting room, but have only ever spoken (yelled actually) once during a breakthrough. It was also the only trip in which I've been able to see people's faces. I saw my wife and son's face that time. The only other times I've seen any sort of "humanoid" entity was just parts, an eye and a hand, both on separate occasions, and both clearly belonging to a jester.
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I never had a full breakthrough. Most of the time I can talk, move and do simple task like texting, but sometimes it's hard to even speak.

I think a regular Ayahuasca experience (for me at least) it's closer to what you're describing as the waiting room.
 
Why call these experiences hallucinations, if you experience them at the moment?
I always see them as any other experience. It's what presenting itself.
The same way, we could call our dreams and everyday reality hallucinations, imo.
What is your reference point then? When you clean your lenses, more of reality presents itself.
This whole world is one big hallucination then, and modern neuroscience agrees on this point btw.
It ultimately comes from the Latin (h)allūcinātiō, meaning “a wandering of the mind.”
Hallucinations are produced entirely by a person's mind and are not based on anything actually happening outside of it.
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Our mind produces this entire experience anyway. So why use this old-fashioned concept?
 
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I also have my reservations about calling these experiences hallucinations, because of the negative connotations associated with that word.

But they definitely exist in a different way of the things we see and feel that we call "objective reality". What I mean by objective reality it's the things that happen and we're experiencing and that most people would agree upon that they're also experiencing.

Example: If I see something I'm not sure it's real I can go to other people and and ask "are you seeing this?" and we can get a consensus if that thing it's "real" or not. Maybe this consensus changes my perception, maybe not. Say that regardless of the concensus I'm still seeing that thing, I can continue to investigate why I'm seeing something that other people don't, but at this point I can call this an hallucination.

What people often do - trying to dismiss the impactfulness of the experience or question its validity - it's call these experiences "just an hallucination". "You were just hallucitating", "you took a drug nothing you saw it's real", "you were just out of your mind".

The last one it's expecially funny cause most of the thing I'm experiencing right now, while sober are "out of my mind". The thing is: for the individual having the "hallucination" they are real as things can get. Paradoxically they often seem more real than "real life". Because they happen only inside my mind, the only place I cannot escape, so the experience it's more direct. Compared to what I see and hear and touch in real life, because when I'm experience things with my senses I'm not experiencing the real thing I'm just having a limited perception of that thing I'm interacting with.
 
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sutekh_77 said:
I also have my reservations about calling these experiences hallucinations, because of the negative connotations associated with that world.
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Good, I'm not alone here ;)
sutekh_77 said:
But they definitely exist in a different way of the things we see and feel that we call "objective reality". What I mean by objective reality it's the things that happen and we're experiencing and that most people would agree upon that they're also experiencing.

Example: If I see something I'm not sure it's real I can go to other people and and ask "are you seeing this?" and we can get a consensus if that thing it's "real" or not. Maybe this consensus changes my perception, maybe not. Say that regardless of the concensus I'm still seeing that thing, I can continue to investigate why I'm seeing something that other people don't, but at this point I can call this an hallucination.
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Very good description of “reality”. So we call something “real” when we both agree on it.
Still, perception itself is subjective, even the perception of the other person and his answer 😅
sutekh_77 said:
What people often do - trying to dismiss the impactfulness of the experience or question its validity - it's call these experiences "just an hallucination". "You were just hallucitating", "you took a drug nothing you saw it's real", "you were just out of your mind".

The last one it's expecially funny cause most of the thing I'm experiencing right now, while sober are "out of my mind".
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Or so it seems, your experience is once again subjective :unsure:
sutekh_77 said:
The thing is: for the individual having the "hallucination" they are real as things can get. Paradoxically they often seem more real than "real life". Because they happen only inside my mind, the only place I cannot escape, so the experience it's more direct. Compared to what I see and hear and touch in real life, because when I'm experience things with my senses I'm not experiencing the real thing I'm just having a limited perception of that thing I'm interacting with.
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We can never experience the real thing. What we see is its projection created by our nervous system.
So we never touched or met anyone but our own mind. Kind of spooky, but it's how our brains work.
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Strange bodily oscillations or jolts/shaking, automatic flowing mudras/movement, spinning sensations, an intense magnetic pull and pressure around stone circles, similar quartz rich megaliths, and while eye gazing with others in these states. Smoking changa on harmalas would sometimes give me an intense body load that once worked its way up and out of my head, it was very blissful

As far as a more classic "hallucinatory" experience goes, I remember some of us here had been certain we soiled ourselves only to come out of a breakthrough to find clean trousers. Idk what is going on there but it's pretty hilarious.
 
northape said:
Why call these experiences hallucinations, if you experience them at the moment?
I always see them as any other experience. It's what presenting itself.
The same way, we could call our dreams and everyday reality hallucinations, imo.
What is your reference point then? When you clean your lenses, more of reality presents itself.
This whole world is one big hallucination then, and modern neuroscience agrees on this point btw.

Our mind produces this entire experience anyway. So why use this old-fashioned concept?
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People are talking but don't know what they are talking about or why. Most people just talk out of their arses.
 
universecannon said:
I guess I just don't see the point on getting hung up on semantics here. We've all beaten the topic of "what is real" to death before, so I just interpreted it as physical sensations ("real" or not, whatever) like they said in their OP
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You're right for sure, but still… Why not use right kind of language from the beginning.
It's very misleading, all right. We of all people should strive for clarity.
If tryptamines give you hallucinations, what about daturas then?
Sorry if it went off-topic because of me. I'm out, have fun 🙏
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northape said:
You're right for sure, but still… Why not use right kind of language from the beginning.
It's very misleading, all right. We of all people should strive for clarity.
If tryptamines give you hallucinations, what about daturas then?
Sorry if it went off-topic because of me. I'm out, have fun 🙏
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No worries! I should've quoted, as I was mostly replying to DM3 because their response seemed a bit harsh.

Some physical sensations do seem pretty damn interesting, and if I had to describe them I just stick to "physical sensations" or whatever, and like to look at stuff phenomenologically, since weird sensations don't all seem meaningless or random by any means. But some other stuff seems to obviously be more or less some form of confused distortions, like crumbling teeth mentioned in the OP, or wetting trousers. That type of stuff isn't isolated to datura. And those fit the general definition of hallucination pretty well. But I agree it's an outdated word to use as an umbrella term for all of the above
 
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