Melodic Catastrophe said:
I wouldn't be a good judge of that because I haven't really vaped much spice with sublingual harmalas. The fact that you can over-do it and the bitter taste of harmalas doesn't appeal to me.
200mg of reasonably pure harmalas and I'm feeling righteous on it's own. You can't get that same feeling with sub/vaped harmalas before you start feeling side effects. As the saying goes... Ayahuasca is the cave you explore and spice is the torch that lights your way.
You should try each method and let us know which works best for you.
Harmala salts are extremely bitter, but harmala freebase is not bitter at all. No taste whatsoever.
People keep saying how sublingual harmalas cause nausea and oral doesn’t – this just hasn’t been my experience. At effective sublingual doses, there isn’t the slightest bit of nausea. I’ve taken near-oral sized doses sublingually, and then there is nausea, but an effective sublingual dose is much smaller: 10-25mg is quite effective. I’ve even had noticeable effects with as little as 5mg sublingually.
I always thought that aya/pharma caused nausea (and with aya in particular, vomiting and even diarrhea). There are plenty of posts here on the Nexus seeking advice on how to combat the nausea. With aya, nausea and vomiting (la Purga?) are often not only expected, but desired! Everywhere I look, there’s talk of nausea associated with both aya and pharma, and now people are suddenly claiming that pharma doesn’t cause nausea!? 200mg of oral harmalas will cause distracting nausea for me. Intermittent, but quite distracting when present. 300mg of oral harmalas will cause almost nonstop nausea for 6+ hours. I haven’t tried more than that because of the nausea. Is my physiology unusual? I always assumed that higher doses of oral harmalas (250mg and more) can cause nausea and even purging. Is this incorrect?
With sublingual harmalas at doses under 75mg, I’ve never had even the slightest bit of nausea or any other “side effects”. And as I already noted, an effective sublingual dose is 10-25mg. Using higher-dose oral harmalas with vaped spice seems like a huge waste of harmalas to me. If I want a caapi-only experience, then I’ll take harmalas orally. If I want to add “light”, then I’ll take DMT orally. Taking 200+ milligrams of oral harmalas just to enhance a vaped DMT experience doesn’t make much sense to me.
I agree that sublingual harmalas plus vaped spice is not a substitute for aya/pharma, but whoever thought it was? The experience is still essentially a vaped DMT experience, but with “something” extra: it’s a bit slower and easier to remember and often more “spiritual”.
So here’s my feeling on this whole subject:
(A) If you want an aya/pharma experience, then take both the harmalas and the DMT orally.
(B) If you want to boost the “light” during an aya/pharma experience, then vape some DMT during the experience or better yet, take an additional oral dose of DMT.
(C) If you want a vaped DMT experience with added harmala effects and no side-effects, then take 10-25mg harmalas sublingually and vape a dose of DMT.
(D) If you want an experience similar to (C) but with loads of nausea and other harmala side-effects, take ten times as much harmalas orally (250mg +) and vape a dose of DMT.
