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RigelL
Rising Star
Carefull when introducing new ppl to DMT, it is not a party drug, it can shatter the very core of your existance, inside of it you can see much light or much darkness. Each one decides how he/she acts but imo you don´t just give DMT or Changa to just somebody. I guess what i´m trying to say is know well the ppl you give it to, make sure they are prepared and help them to set a nice set and setting.
This is the part that got me kinda worried... " a lot" ? :shock:
As for the changa part, it´s as Gammagore said, but if you want more info you can check the Wiki
This is the part that got me kinda worried... " a lot" ? :shock:
As for the changa part, it´s as Gammagore said, but if you want more info you can check the Wiki
bglynn10
Brian
Although DMT should be experienced by everyone at least once imo it's definitely not a good idea to present it to just anyone. Personally I keep it between me and about 3 good friends and that is it. I don't like attention being brought upon me or the fact that I partake in spice. Besides, if you are smoking spice it should be for your own benefit not anybody else's.
DMT should NOT be experienced by everyone at least once. That's an arrogant, narcissistic, megalomanical point of view - and not one endorsed by this community.
bglynn10
Brian
I don't see where you are coming from saying that is arrogant or egotistical for that matter. imo spice is a very powerful substance that shows a world that we as humans can't even begin to comprehend. I find it to be selfish that you wouldn't want people to try this amazing experience.
You take from my comment that I don't want people to experience it? Far from it. But there are plenty of people who are well advised to steer clear (such as those with past histories of mental illness, for example), and a great many more who have no desire or are even repelled by the idea. That's just fine. We're not pied pipers. It isn't our jobs to indoctrinate. It's not a necessity of the human experience. For those who want it, it's out there waiting. For those who don't, it's all good.
finding0 said:
I can apreciate what you are trying to do for humanity.
On the otherhand, Me thinks that it is just a matter of time and you are going to give it to the wrong mind and then all hell is going to break loose. When it does it may very well suck to be you.
Good luck and choose you subjects wisely.
I met a guy from mexico last winter. He fed me raw mexican tequila and we smoked good herb and played soccer with his other mexican friends. We all got to talking about psychedelics and shamanims..they were all big on peyote. His friends father was an indigenous peyote shaman in mexico..huichol I think, and he had taken it with him in ceremonies. He repeated to me a saying this shaman had..
"The medicine is for everyone, but not everyon is for the medicine"
Seriousily, be careful. I learned this the hard way. about 6 years ago I was 20 and impatient and idealistic..I was reading leary and wanted to turn on the planet..I was eating mushrooms all time time, sometimes for days in a row durrg he summer..I swear I didnt even come down that summer. I gave mushrooms to anyone who wanted to eat them with me..and had lots of people sit with me and smoke salvia as well. I was at a certain beach here in vancouver almost all summer, sleeping there often that is known around the world for being a hotbed for counter culture, drugs, hippies and nudists.
I remember this one day here was this guy that was there alot, early to mid 40's that was determined to join me and some other people in a salvia circle off away from the crowd. I watched a women I just met thatwas about 40 as well have a really nice trip and handle it fine..she liked salvia, had a good trip and was NOT as experienced as this other guy with entheogens.. Now this guy, he was raving on and on about how he was an experiences astra traveler and taken heaps of liquid LSD. I had seem him take mushrooms alot. But this salvia..it broke him. The look on his face when it kicked it was that of a man who had just looked into the face of death..he fought and fought and freaked out to the point that he was on the verge of crying. Afterwords you could tellhe was really really shaken up and creeped out by what had happened to him. He then went on to claim that it was evil and we were fucking our brains up and being posessed by spirits and all this stuff..he tried to argue that he knew he was right becasue he had knowledge of these things from his OBE work and can identify them so he knew..every time i saw him after that he would act like me and a few other people were nutcases for doing this stuff and would try to councel us when we admitted that yes, we still smoke salvia.
Another time I had this friend that I knew through other friends..and he came to the beach with us that summer. He was a drunk and he had a very rigid mind. he never understood why me and his other friends liked to talk about reality and how strange it was etc..he thought it was stupid. But he was a crazy parties always wanting to get "fucked up"..and he wanted to eat mushrooms..so at the beach this other older guy we knew came up to us inthe morning when we got there and handed me and my friends an entire shopping bag full of dry cubensis..like ounces and ounces of them..I still have no idea where he got these mushrooms..he jsut told us to "turn people on"..
So we all ate a good dose of them, set up by the drum circle and then burried the rest in the sand under our blanket in case the cops came..the beach packed with hippies that day and people kept walkign by asking where to buy mushrooms..and we would pull out the bag and tell them to forget money and just take what they wanted..there must have been 40 people or more all stoned on mushrooms by mid afternoon at this drum circle..our friend kept saying he was going to eat some, and so we told him if he did to eat only 1 or 2..but when we were off doign random trip stuff he started to eat them like chips..becasue hes stupid I guess, and too impatient to wait for them to hit..
The cops came down and were so confused as to what the hell was wrong with all these hippies lol..but our friend was way gone..at first he thought he was in mexico, the when he realized that we werent in mexico he lost it..he was running around like a madman yelling and crying and freaking out. I have never seen someone freak out as bad as he did. The cops didnt notice too much becase we kept him quite to an extend at first and they were occupied with giving people tickets for alcohol etc thank god..We packed up and got him away from the beach but he couldnt calm down..if we werent there he would have ended up in a mentl ward for the might im sure of it. Babysitting him was not easy and he was totally freaked out afterwards and got nothing at all useful from the experience becasue he coudlnt get past the freaking out..he just wanted to be high and party..I have no desire to sitan dose people anymore unless im certain they are the right kind of people to dose becasue some people just arent able to accept what psychedelic have to offer..
Maybe it's a plus that DMT is much shorter than mushrooms but still..you need to be careful who you dose. Beyond freaking out some people will think your the freaking devil after for making them freak out and who knows what they will do or who they will tell.
"The medicine is for everyone, but not everyon is for the medicine"
Seriousily, be careful. I learned this the hard way. about 6 years ago I was 20 and impatient and idealistic..I was reading leary and wanted to turn on the planet..I was eating mushrooms all time time, sometimes for days in a row durrg he summer..I swear I didnt even come down that summer. I gave mushrooms to anyone who wanted to eat them with me..and had lots of people sit with me and smoke salvia as well. I was at a certain beach here in vancouver almost all summer, sleeping there often that is known around the world for being a hotbed for counter culture, drugs, hippies and nudists.
I remember this one day here was this guy that was there alot, early to mid 40's that was determined to join me and some other people in a salvia circle off away from the crowd. I watched a women I just met thatwas about 40 as well have a really nice trip and handle it fine..she liked salvia, had a good trip and was NOT as experienced as this other guy with entheogens.. Now this guy, he was raving on and on about how he was an experiences astra traveler and taken heaps of liquid LSD. I had seem him take mushrooms alot. But this salvia..it broke him. The look on his face when it kicked it was that of a man who had just looked into the face of death..he fought and fought and freaked out to the point that he was on the verge of crying. Afterwords you could tellhe was really really shaken up and creeped out by what had happened to him. He then went on to claim that it was evil and we were fucking our brains up and being posessed by spirits and all this stuff..he tried to argue that he knew he was right becasue he had knowledge of these things from his OBE work and can identify them so he knew..every time i saw him after that he would act like me and a few other people were nutcases for doing this stuff and would try to councel us when we admitted that yes, we still smoke salvia.
Another time I had this friend that I knew through other friends..and he came to the beach with us that summer. He was a drunk and he had a very rigid mind. he never understood why me and his other friends liked to talk about reality and how strange it was etc..he thought it was stupid. But he was a crazy parties always wanting to get "fucked up"..and he wanted to eat mushrooms..so at the beach this other older guy we knew came up to us inthe morning when we got there and handed me and my friends an entire shopping bag full of dry cubensis..like ounces and ounces of them..I still have no idea where he got these mushrooms..he jsut told us to "turn people on"..
So we all ate a good dose of them, set up by the drum circle and then burried the rest in the sand under our blanket in case the cops came..the beach packed with hippies that day and people kept walkign by asking where to buy mushrooms..and we would pull out the bag and tell them to forget money and just take what they wanted..there must have been 40 people or more all stoned on mushrooms by mid afternoon at this drum circle..our friend kept saying he was going to eat some, and so we told him if he did to eat only 1 or 2..but when we were off doign random trip stuff he started to eat them like chips..becasue hes stupid I guess, and too impatient to wait for them to hit..
The cops came down and were so confused as to what the hell was wrong with all these hippies lol..but our friend was way gone..at first he thought he was in mexico, the when he realized that we werent in mexico he lost it..he was running around like a madman yelling and crying and freaking out. I have never seen someone freak out as bad as he did. The cops didnt notice too much becase we kept him quite to an extend at first and they were occupied with giving people tickets for alcohol etc thank god..We packed up and got him away from the beach but he couldnt calm down..if we werent there he would have ended up in a mentl ward for the might im sure of it. Babysitting him was not easy and he was totally freaked out afterwards and got nothing at all useful from the experience becasue he coudlnt get past the freaking out..he just wanted to be high and party..I have no desire to sitan dose people anymore unless im certain they are the right kind of people to dose becasue some people just arent able to accept what psychedelic have to offer..
Maybe it's a plus that DMT is much shorter than mushrooms but still..you need to be careful who you dose. Beyond freaking out some people will think your the freaking devil after for making them freak out and who knows what they will do or who they will tell.
My concern wouldn't be for wolf, but for someone wolf fucks up very badly, indiscriminately playing medicine man.