preparation of seashell lime for yopo

[muppeteer]

i've got some seashells i'd like to turn into lime, as the idea of smoking or snorting baking soda freaks me out. how do i do this? wash the shell with alcohol and then powder it? does it need to be cooked or roasted first? and is the lime only for smoking or snorting or both?

i would post this in the bufo, 5meodmt forum, but i am a new member and cannot. thanks!

 

[Ulim]

i've got some seashells i'd like to turn into lime, as the idea of smoking or snorting baking soda freaks me out. how do i do this? wash the shell with alcohol and then powder it? does it need to be cooked or roasted first? and is the lime only for smoking or snorting or both?

i would post this in the bufo, 5meodmt forum, but i am a new member and cannot. thanks!

Crush them heat them over 800°C then add water.
CaCO3 +800°C = CaO + CO2
CaO+ H2O = Ca(OH)2

Also baking soda doesnt work that well anyways. I tried most bases for yopo and found out that they just need to be strong enough. What you use doesnt matter. Caustic lime is the way to go tho because it doesnt dissolve as much so you end up with a nicer powder.
You want NaCO3 (Washing Soda) NaOH (Lye) K2CO3 (Potash) KOH (Potash Lye) Ca(OH)2 (Caustic lime).

NaHCO3 (Baking soda) and CaCO3 (Limestone) arent really strong enough to work properly.

Also all those bases are not toxic to the body but depending on their concentration they can burn skin because they are caustic. One could argue that snorting baking soda is safer than snorting lime because its less caustic meaning it wont attack your nose as much.

Follow this tek or go to the chat in case you have more questions.

 

[paperjack]

You can buy high quality lime for food purposes. Are you 100% sure your seashells are usable for lime-production? You could be inhaling much worse stuff and get silicosis, which is really really bad.
Nevermind, most seashells are good for this purpose.

 

[Ulim]

You can also clean up the seashells by doing the following.
Dissolve them in vinegar filter out all the gunk that floats around and evaporate the liquid.

You now have CaAc (calcium acetate) that you can heat. This will release acetone fumes so be carefull but it will need less heat and you eliminate all other impurites.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Or precipitate from CaOAc solution with cautious addition of NaOH soln.

I've done the roasting calcium acetate experiment. It stinks! Condensation products of acetone are also formed quite abundantly, e.g. mesityl oxide, isophorone, etc.

 

[syberdelic]

Is sodium carbonate not a strong enough base? I see s few teks that employ this base and the chemical properties seem to be suitable to freebase bufotenine.

 

[muppeteer]

jesus. you guys are alchemists. any way to heat them to over 800 degrees in my crummy oven or stove?

 

[syberdelic]

jesus. you guys are alchemists. any way to heat them to over 800 degrees in my crummy oven or stove?

You're going to need something more like a forge for that amount of heat and probably electric. Any consumer oven would probably fall apart if one could get it that hot for any sustained period of time.

 

[Swayambhu]

Your local Indian or (preferably) Bangladeshi grocery, or an online version, might sell "chuna", which is used with paan/betel, made of shell lime. Use sparingly.

 

[pitubo]

jesus. you guys are alchemists. any way to heat them to over 800 degrees in my crummy oven or stove?

A true alchemist would not use a crummy kitchen oven or stove. A true alchemist would use a blazing coal forge. Aspiring alchemists could perhaps use a barbecue as an acceptable substitute. It is not going to be easy, burning lime may not only require high heat, but also extended burning time.

Easy-going kitchen chemists may instead buy "kapur sirih" from an indonesian food store.

 

[muppeteer]

this is all too complicated and these ingredients are hard to find here in spain, so i bought some sodium bicarbonate. what now?

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Put shells in biscuit tin and chuck into a wood fire. Retrieve after fire has died down and tin is cool enough to handle.

Then proceed to aerospace engineering or brain surgery.

Collect Nobel prize.

Celebrate with cake made using sodium bicarbonate as raising agent.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

I found burnt dolomite in the garden centre the other day. CaO + MgO. That would do the trick, although it's not exactly food grade. Sold as "Gebrannte Kalk", which is obviously not spanish. Perhaps a similar product exists in Spain? Cales dolomíticas DL?

A true alchemist would use a blazing coal forge. Aspiring alchemists could perhaps use a barbecue as an acceptable substitute.

It was great fun blowing the bbq with my air pump at the weekend! Properly white hot. Next I might build myself a mini blast furnace out of an old wood oven I've got lying around. Test #1: roast them shells. Test #2: phosphorus from bones???

 

[scelsi]

O tried eggshells as calcium carbonate source with no results.

Tried also calcium hydroxide from the home Depot like store in my country, I think it was nothing pure, but it works pretty well.

Toasted 4 seeds in a pan, peeled and got powdered in a mortar and pestle, then added 1/3 part of that garden pH basifier and and couple of water drop just to get clay-like dough. Mixed for about ten minutes with my fingers and
Flatten in a fish to get dried in 6 hours.

After that six hours, Vaped some caapi powder (until the effects shown) and snuff that huges lines.

First 15 minutes was a fight with the side effects, then 45 minutes of too clear visions, icaros sung by me helped to get the travel where I wanted.

Then got baseline as if nothing where passed.

I think the extreme body load (first 5 minutes) was the non-purity of the lime. Maybe it was the seeds itself

Peace

 

[scelsi]

By the way, snorting calcium hydroxide at a normal.dose amount isn't painful, yes is irritating, but for about a minute. I would be worried for the side effects more than the lime

 

[downwardsfromzero]

I think the extreme body load (first 5 minutes) was the non-purity of the lime. Maybe it was the seeds itself

Consensus has it that the body load is part and parcel of the bufotenine/cebil experience. Most people are put off by this factor after experimenting.

Thanks for sharing your experience. How would you describe the visions?

 

[scelsi]

Well, I tried two times, first with 2 seeds (it's safer starting at low doses), and the experience at eyes closed was a black and white fractal tunnel (like these time-travel animations), and with eyes open some color changes (walls) and distortions. I was searching for a emotional experiencing but that time wasn't that.

The second time (4 seeds) i like to describe as follows:

1. Heavy body load, a lot of red arabesques that appears as a curtain, I wasn't able even to see clearly through them.

2. With that body load, I keep my eyes closed because was more useful to "survive" the load. The time-travel tunnel of my first experience doesn't appeared, instead, a lot of "situations" with me there were created. First in a dark forest fighting with a knight. After fought, I start singing icaros to get away and I started to fly from there to the place I was singing, it was beautiful.

3. The side effects disappeared (or the visual were stronger than that. For me, the same), some creatures with red eyes appeared from the dark, i understood that yopo wanted me to fight my fears and I did, starting laughing to the creatures, then I understood that the fear is completely manageable (not only in the trip, but in my life). Singing another icaros and others situations appeared. I opened my eyes and there was nothing interesting (visual distortions only, when the solids appears as liquid). Obviously closed my eyes again aand then I was flying through a forest over a giant bird, the indigenous people of that place Wave at me, then I entered the bird and I was that bird, the world were falling apart while I was flying and finally I found with a being in a powerful energy center (I thought it was the center of energy creation).

Then some visions that I don't remember clearly, until arrived baseline.

Yopo could teach you a lot of yourself. As you can read, I can see yopo, instead of ayahuasca or pure dmt, could bring absolutely concrete visions. I talked with my self in a upper conscious level. Hope you too.

Peace
Sorry my bad English, I hope you can understand my writing.

 

[b-smithy]

jesus. you guys are alchemists. any way to heat them to over 800 degrees in my crummy oven or stove?

A true alchemist would not use a crummy kitchen oven or stove. A true alchemist would use a blazing coal forge. Aspiring alchemists could perhaps use a barbecue as an acceptable substitute. It is not going to be easy, burning lime may not only require high heat, but also extended burning time.

Easy-going kitchen chemists may instead buy "kapur sirih" from an indonesian food store.

would a coal forge work I have 2 and they are dead easy to make

 

[downwardsfromzero]

A true alchemist would not use a crummy kitchen oven or stove. A true alchemist would use a blazing coal forge. Aspiring alchemists could perhaps use a barbecue as an acceptable substitute. It is not going to be easy, burning lime may not only require high heat, but also extended burning time.

Easy-going kitchen chemists may instead buy "kapur sirih" from an indonesian food store.

would a coal forge work I have 2 and they are dead easy to make

The question is literally answered in the post that you quoted. [Emphasis added]

I've used an oxy-propane torch for burning limestone but it gets a bit expensive cos it's so fun to carry on heating the calcium oxide. The limelight is so bright! Obviously a coal forge would be much cheaper to run, especially if you make your own charcoal from homegrown or foraged wood, just you wouldn't get the fun with the limelight. I'd roast snail shells in a tin for lime but with limestone you'd be better off with something more like a kiln arrangement. This would require a few extra firebricks but fortunately these are reasonably easy to produce using cheap enough materials. You're probably aware of this as someone who's produced some coal forges.

For purity of lime (if the stuff is going to be ingested in any way) either you have to keep the stones/shells separate from the coals or you have to use specific types of charcoal. Wood ash can contain high levels of potassium carbonate which will react with lime to produce potassium hydroxide so a certain level of caution and aforethought would be prudent. AS well, some ash will contain silica and it's probably not a terribly wise idea to inhale finely powdered silica.

Another approach is to dissolve the calcium carbonate in any acid that gives a soluble calcium salt and then adding sodium hydroxide to precipitate your lime. It would be wise to use an excess of the calcium salt to avoid getting residual sodium hydroxide in the precipitated lime.