Psilocin extraction help

[anne halonium]

nen888 is the closest so far.........
that works, and variants.

^ think about that, and whats going on in that process.
also, check a merck.

another hint,
crystals look like broken brownish purple contact lenses, in micro.

alot of chemists understand how to do this.
they tell the growers, but the growers dont always understand chemists.
growers usually dont grow enough, to give some to chemists to show them how.

the rare " grower chemists" ,
mostly sit back half cheering , and half petrified, that the growers will figure it out.

it can be done, in micro and to scale,
but if you do it , be warned........those tiny crystal things are powerful.

 

[nen888]

^ we like cryptic anne...

and yeah...i think it's heavier than dmt..
.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

there are ways to do this..........

but think about it, any actual workable reliable scale extraction,
might be too hell raising for this forum.

We've invited you to share your approach countless times. You've always declined for various reasons.

Please feel free to share

 

[anne halonium]

i wrestle with the ethics of it snozz.

on one level i really wanna show em how to do it to scale with pics.
but frankly, it scares the hell out of me at the same time.

if one has 4-5 mushy grams, its a waste of time, soak it in booze and drink it.

if one has LOTS of dried grams......
its worth it, but also scale scary.

one has to consider the process also.
its somewhat flammable.
im not sure it can be presented safely for the general public.

and also, it does require a form of chroma.

finally the final product, is sorta powerful,
done right spoonfuls will take down rooms full of lab rabbits,
and its very hard to field measure without a serious .01 g scale.
its about like eyeballing high purity deems,
a guess is the difference between the moon and alpha centauri.

we played with it all thru the 80s
i consider the stuff pretty scarey.

nen888 basically told ya how anyway.
just swap out some solvents, and chroma.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I'm just saying, you always "offer it up" and then give convoluted replies instead of an actual procedural rundown.

That's fine, it's your choice. Just don't pretend like it's not wanted here or that you've been banned from sharing it.

This site handles DMT extractions as "run-of-the-mill"...psilocybin isn't problematic.

If you want to share, please do. All the posturing is old at this point.

That's all

 

[nen888]

i'm not here a lot at the moment, but for not easily articulatable reasons can resonate with anne's hestitation on this one..and not needing to go any further to lab process than the method given..how far? it's tantalizing, and yet...

it's been known about since the 70s (earlier) and done,
jim dekorne mentioned it in his final ER (vaped)
i don't know that many people know psilocin(cybin) above a level, and it is as anne says
very fine measurement here..

above a level with it is what Terence McKenna didn't want to know about..too much to deal with...he backed off

there are plenty of frontiers

high dose pure psilocin can make a 'dmt hyperslap' seem warm and comforting in comparison..

i'm just saying, with this one ask yourself how far you want to lift the curtain
do you want to know? it's hard to articulate...you might find plant dmt more cuddly..

that said, this is a frontier i'm surprised hasn't been ventured more by explorers..

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I hear you, nen. For me, I guess it's that I don't believe in barriers to knowledge. I'm not personally interested in pursuing pure psilocybin/psilocin, but I see no issues with having the info readily available.

I understand people have reservations and they're certainly entitled to their perspectives. As someone who has gone off the deep-end with oral DMT dosing (somewhat unintentionally), I think I've got a good sense of how intense this stuff can get. 400mg oral DMT with 400mg harmalas was no joke. Would I do it again? Never. Do I advise people to do that? Never. Does that mean I think DMT teks should be obfuscated? Absolutely not.

I'm just suggesting that people are capable of making their own decisions. People will always make poor decisions, mistakes, and different choices from our own. If we already have this:

Le Genre Panaeolus: Essai taxinomique et physiologique par Gyorgy Miklos OLA'H Laboratoire De Cryptogamie du Museum National D'histoire Naturelle 12, rue de Buffon, Paris. Memoire hors-series No 10, 1970. Page 97.

Dry the mushrooms.
This important step is most likely to cause the greatest loss of yield depending on how it is done. Crush or grind the dried carpophores or mycelium to a powder.
Shake and allow to stand (e.g. 30 mins) in chloroform. Use maybe twice the dry weight in solvents at every step, or enough to well cover the powder.
Filter and discard the chloroform.
Shake the reidue and allow to stand with acetone.
Filter and discard the acetone.
Shake residue and allow to stand with methanol.
Filter.
Shake residue and allow to stand with methanol.
Filter.
Shake residue and allow to stand with methanol.
Filter.
Discard residue.
Combine methanol extracts.
Evaporate methanol to dryness, preferably in a vacuum, although low heat will do.

This will yield a crude extract containing the active tryptamines, suitable for most purposes. This can be further chromatographed on cellulose etc. to give pure psilocin and psilocybin. The recommended solvents are n-Butanol saturated with water, and n-butanol:acetic acid:water (24:10:10). Anyone wishing to do chromatography should check the relevant texts for more detailed instructions.

and this...

I don't personally see the harm in people sharing the tweaks and adjustments they've made to any of the pre-existing methodologies. But that's just me

I'm not advocating publishing this on the front page of the New York Times...I just think that if people (notably anne) are going to talk about their methodologies, they should be willing to share the methodologies so they can be commented on, critiqued, and explored by others. Otherwise it seems to be little more than ego stroking, imo.

 

[nen888]

..yeah i hear you Snozz, and this is the Nexus

i'm just enjoying guessing the intrigue...keep on all!


ps..just what you re-quoted above...i'm surprised how few people have apparently just tried that to the pre chromatography stage..that's the crude alkaloids..like the clean 'goo'..i'd like to hear a few people get that far..and yeah the solvent mix for chromatography separation to pure compounds, for the patient and/or chemist is given there too..

 

[Infectedstyle]

I'm intrigued, what peaks my interest is how Psilocin experience differs from it's N,n variety. Is it possible to xtract some information from you guys?

 

[anne halonium]

can resonate with anne's hestitation on this one..

thanks nen888.

keep in mind, its especially problematic for me,
as ive published teks wich would allow for serious production of biomass efficiently and fast.
combined with a scale extraction method, its alot of power fast from a home lab.

deems extracts have limits, due to supply lines and volumes involved.
most peeps wont get more than a few g's at best at an extraction.
violet teks for shrooms would mean unlimited feedstock from a closet.
there would be few barriers to much greater yeilds.

im well known for edge living and extremes, for me to be cautious.........
but, now i dont feel so bad if terrance suggests the same.
(snozz had me thinking im a wuss there for a millisecond,
then i realized i just had a rare flash of ethical thinking
i suspect nexus is making me a better person!)

consider the standard extract process as nen888 presented.
now imagine replacements with liquid gas solvents.......
people get upset enough when i talk about blowing cannabis wax via butane.
i can only imagine .......

as far as the ego thing,
i get worshipped to death at work and play here on the island.
i come here to get away from that.

 

[steppa]

i get worshipped to death at work and play here on the island.
i come here to get away from that.

Not posting the really interesting knowledge
will help with that.

 

[anne halonium]

im in the middle of 5 figures of a dental rebuild this month.
complete with swap out all white or silver grills......

lemme shake that off, and then i wanna run a preview by trav and benz.
if they arent outraged, i may tell what i know.......with pics of course.

in the meantime,
its all about a dry defat and chroma.
it does not act like regular alks.

 

[nen888]

I'm intrigued, what peaks my interest is how Psilocin experience differs from it's N,n variety. Is it possible to xtract some information from you guys?

..that's a very large question

titanic even

and potentially quite McKennian..

i'll give it some thought and maybe attempt to convey or propose more..

for now i'd just note that while 'n.n' is ubiquitously distributed in probably almost all animals, and many many plants worldwide, whereas this attached phosphorus thing..its more unique to fungi and the odd lichen..and isn't mammalian endogenous..
whatever the meaning of the connection between alkaloids, this universe, consciousness, and matter, it would suggest a more 'specialised' 'mode'..
.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Hmm. Anne has hinted here enough that I may have just worked it out for myself... Muahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[anne halonium]

Hmm. Anne has hinted here enough that I may have just worked it out for myself... Muahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

lol downward, good job, i thought i was gonna have to spell it out.

the maid read thru this and was ,"like, damn ,ya basically told them...."
(i knew the wax blasters would get it.)

for the chroma, your gonna need a big glass pan and some paper towel rolls.......

 

[obliguhl]

I find this interesting because i have noticed that eating a lot of mushroom material (read: weak mushrooms) seems to have a rather negative influence on the experience compared to eating highly potent mushrooms. Maybe it's just a coincidence but i always felt that the stronger the mushrooms are, the better they feel on the body...and i'm not prone to mushroom nausea or anything. It just sort of..feels different. Cleaner?

 

[anne halonium]

i think it has to do with how fast a certain threshold amount gets into you.
fine grind is a key.
we think that part of it in whole shrooms is the grind ( another hint)
i like a flour dust as dry as possible.
a super dry grind, with the waxs and oils blown off........

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Hmm. Anne has hinted here enough that I may have just worked it out for myself... Muahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

lol downward, good job, i thought i was gonna have to spell it out.

the maid read thru this and was ,"like, damn ,ya basically told them...."
(i knew the wax blasters would get it.)

for the chroma, your gonna need a big glass pan and some paper towel rolls.......

Tee-hee! Thing is, my ovids were so clean, pure and stong, the thought of extracting them is frankly terrifying! I tried once and it went tits up. It's thanks to experience alone that I didn't completely flip out or have a heart attack! I kid you not. I made one mistaken assumption and ended up with an unexpected, unprepared, terrifying overdose.

If this ever happens to any of you, the advice to lie down in a dark room and not attempt to do anything is about the best I could suggest. Make sure you have a pot to piss in.

When rapidly confronted with 50 mg+ of psiloc(yb)in, the mind and body simply go into shock and there is little you can do about it besides surrender. Which is of course easier said than done. When your body has gone into panic mode and there's nowhere to run, well, it's a HELL of a ride, literally.:twisted: :shock: :!:

Hopefully I've learned something as a result :surprised :roll:

 

[anne halonium]

Tee-hee! Thing is, my ovids were so clean, pure and stong, the thought of extracting them is frankly terrifying! I tried once and it went tits up. It's thanks to experience alone that I didn't completely flip out or have a heart attack! I kid you not. I made one mistaken assumption and ended up with an unexpected, unprepared, terrifying overdose.

If this ever happens to any of you, the advice to lie down in a dark room and not attempt to do anything is about the best I could suggest. Make sure you have a pot to piss in.

When rapidly confronted with 50 mg+ of psiloc(yb)in, the mind and body simply go into shock and there is little you can do about it besides surrender. Which is of course easier said than done. When your body has gone into panic mode and there's nowhere to run, well, it's a HELL of a ride, literally.:twisted: :shock: :!:

Hopefully I've learned something as a result :surprised :roll:

thank you very, very much.
now copy and paste that on a pink floyd concert,
except we huddled under our seats , 6th row...........
spent big bux for that show, only to be terrorized by a flying pig.
as thats all ya can see hiding on the floor........

those micro crystals are to be respected.

ive felt the wrath of deems.
ive felt the wrath of psil crystals.
the wrath is the wrath, but the psil wrath scares me more.

extreme deems is over in an half hour.
extreme psil extracts, can wreck you for 4-6 hours...or more.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

...then i wanna run a preview by trav and benz.
if they arent outraged, i may tell what i know.......with pics of course...

:roll:

Again, the mod team has already discussed this. No one is outraged. You are free to post it whenever you decide to.

If you're gonna keep playing these games, at least admit you're playing with yourself. We're not prohibiting the information in question, nor have we ever presented an obstacle to you posting it. You can stop pretending it's ever been anything to the contrary.