I live in the UK and last autumn I found several hundred P.cyanescens. Since most shroomers in the UK have little knowledge of them I'd like to hear what fellow shroomers in the States have to say about them. Any info much appreciated.
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Psilocybe Cyanescens
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They are very very powerful mushrooms. Dont take more than 2-3 grams at first..that should be a high dose.
First of all... you lucky fish! I couldn't even find any caps last autumn. I've grown me some cubes but... so many to eat.
I heard 1 gram of P Cyan can be as if not more potent than 3 grams of cubes.
Also did you have any pictures of the fresh fruits? I've never seen them in the UK
I heard 1 gram of P Cyan can be as if not more potent than 3 grams of cubes.
Also did you have any pictures of the fresh fruits? I've never seen them in the UK
I presume you mean 2 to 3 grams dried. That would make them weaker than P.semilanceata, depending on what you would consider a high dose to be. In my opinion, 3 grams of good welsh liberty caps would be devastating. I'm interested in the psilocin vs psilocybin content. I gather that P.cyanescens has lots of psilocin and average amount of psilocybin. Psilocin degrades easily whereas psilocybin is more stable, hence the reduction in potency when drying.
Hi soulfood. I like your quote, it's from 'the sky moves sideways' by porcupine tree! Great band. Whereabouts in the UK are you? I'm in Hampshire and I know where the cyanescens are there, I also know where they are in surrey. Since they're originally from North America I suspect they favour the warmth of southern counties but recent forays on mycological websitea suggests otherwise. They may become a very common species on woodchips, the open and loose structure of which provides easy pathways for the mycelial threads. I found no libbies last year either, I'd given up all hope and then, in early october, when I wasn't even looking, I found them!
cyans are very strong when dried..the strongest mushrooms there are, 2 grams of dried cyans can be like 5-6 grams of dried cubes.
I beg to differ. I believe P. semilanceata to be considerably stronger when dried. 3 to 4 grams of dried P.cyanescens did, to me, what 1 to 1.5g of dried liberty caps did. Maybe the wavy caps that I picked weren't very strong. However, they weren't weak either.
Did you get a positive Id on these?
Photo's?
Photo's?
4 grams of psilocybe cyans dry is basically a DMT breakthrough for me..are you 100% positive you have cyanescens? I have taken these mushrooms many many times.
I,ve got some photos on my phone, they're not brilliant though and I'm not sure how to transfer them to here. Yes, they were 100% Psilocybe cyanescens, growing in woodchips in Hampshire. Caps orangey brown when wet, creamy ochre when dry, blunt conical when young, flat with VERY wavy edges when older. Cyanescens means 'bluing' and they bruised the deepest shade of blue. Bioassayed by several people including myself (in a dream I might add), proved to be highly active, marginally less potent than Psilocybe semilanceata, although, regrettably they were never consumed fresh. They are much larger though and a 1mx1m area of mulch around a newly planted tree must have yielded around 200!
Incidentally, I didn't say that 3 to 4 grams was weak by any stretch of the imagination. I was merely stating that it is equivalent to 1 or more likely, 1.5 to 2 grams of dried welsh liberty caps. Upwards of 2 grams of good quality libbies is in the 'breakthrough' territory. At least that's what 15 years of fragmented dreams of consuming them have lead me to believe. Although the wavy caps themselves only entered my dreams last year, liberty caps have always been there. I presume you've eaten P.semilanceata?
molcadot said:
Great band indeed... well the classic stuff. I like their newer material, but for me it's all about the synthy days of up the downstair/sideways/voyage 34
I'm in cambridgeshire now, but I know nothing of good mushroom picking spots. Next season I'm going to head over to thetford forest which I hear is pretty good.
I'm very interested in growing my own wood loving fungus also. I've only grown cubes on BRF however and find the research on growing P Cyan indoors a little more daunting... plus the extra expense...
someday
I've only tried p cube and p. sem so far... 3g's dry p. sem gave me a very intense experience. I was NOT expecting that. I'm going to challenge them to a round 2.. and the next time we meet... I'll be ready 8)
molcadot said:
No I have never eaten them, I only have lots of experience with psilocybe cubensis and psilocybe cyanescens. I know lots of people that have picked cyans and semilanceata though and was always told that cyans are much more powerful. Il prob go pick some liberty caps next fall and try them..I havent spent any time really looking for liberty caps I always went hunting for cyanescenes and had people giving them to me as well so..
Hmmm. A logical assumption to make is that maybe American cyanescens is more potent than the UK variety? Or UK liberty caps more so than American ones. Climatic conditions, while broadly similar, are I guess, very different and very likely affect alkaloid concentrations. Liberty cap potency seems, at least to myself, to increase with the harshness of their environment. Scottish ones being leagues ahead of southern 'friendlies'. Oh by the way Soulfood, Epping forest is a known P.cyanescens stronghold in the UK. That may not be too far from you.
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