Psychotria nervosa...

[BananaForeskin]

There seems to be an odd lack of information about this plant, which may or may not be being growing in my sunroom. I can't find a chemical profile anywhere- anything I search ends up taking to me pages about Psychotria viridis. The only places I've seen it mentioned are Wikipedia and the Botanical Spirit webstore, which both say it's similar in composition to P. viridis (physically it looks almost exactly the same). Anybody read/ done anything with Psychotria nervosa?

Cheers

 

[00]

I think that it has caffeine in it or something.

 

[BananaForeskin]

From what I have seen about it, it doesn't look like it. The berries can be made into a coffee-like drink, which may or may not have caffeine. But what I'm looking for information on is the DMT content, if there is one. Botanical Spirit mentioned having the same properties as viridis, but with a 'different color'. I also just ran across a plant profile which stated the nervosa contained DMT, and even cited a study which I can't find information on. "Ted, M. 2002. Smokable DMT in plants" (or some such title, but the author and date are correct).

 

[MelCat]

Apologizes for the necrothread but does anyone have any more information about this plant?

I found the attached paper which includes the following quote:

Shiny-leafed wild coffee contains the alkaloid dimethyltryptamine, which is hallucinogenic (Ted 2002) and may eventually prove to have medicinal applications. The seeds were once used as a coffee substitute (Dave’s Garden Network 2002).

Has anyone used this plant as an admixture?

Any idea what the dmt ratios are?

I found a local nursery that has many very well established plants for sale for around $4 each. I got one so far but I wanted to get some more info before I purchased any more.

Any input is highly appreciated.

 

[BananaForeskin]

Haha, I have used it once as an admixture plant, but it wasn't the only admixture, and it would be hard to say whether it had an effect or not. At least, it didn't have any ADVERSE effects...

It's pretty easy to grow, puts out quite a few leaves, you should give it a shot if you can get ahold of a live plant.

 

[MelCat]

Good stuff.. Do you remember how much you used or any other details about the brew?

With it being so cheap and the quality of the plants for sale, it's kinda hard to pass up if it's a possible alternative to viridis.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I found the attached paper which includes the following quote:

Shiny-leafed wild coffee contains the alkaloid dimethyltryptamine, which is hallucinogenic (Ted 2002) and may eventually prove to have medicinal applications. The seeds were once used as a coffee substitute (Dave’s Garden Network 2002).

If you follow the reference in that paper back to its source, it's an uncited claim that (at best, for the topic of psychotria) links to a defunct website.

This paper appears to indicate that P. nervosa does not contain any alkaloids.

 

[MelCat]

Thanks for the link Snozz. I'll refrain from getting more but I'll do some experiments of my own once the plant I got gets a little bigger.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Awesome! Please let us know if it turns out to be active, that would be an awesome find

Also, perhaps consider sending some to endlessness for analysis, it would be great to have GC-MS results for any of these lesser known plants, whether it rules them in or out of the realm of possible admixtures.

 

[MelCat]

That's a great idea. I'll go ahead and pluck some leaves now so they can be dry in time to send out.

 

[wearepeople]

Any update of this MelCat?

 

[MelCat]

Unfortunately not. I've been bouncing between permaculture farms and living a nomadic lifestyle. Once I get settled again in a year or so, I'll be able to continue testing. Apologies for not following through on this.

 

[rafael2224]

Recently I was on a hike with one of my professors, who has his PHD in psychoactive plants, and he did confirm that the plant does contain alkaloids.

 

[pinkoyd]

I sent some nervosa leaf off for analysis two years ago, along with the other Florida natives sulnzeri and ligustrum.

Unfortunately they were all negative for DMT. I don't recall exactly but I think they were negative for alkaloids in genaral.

Likewise no Psychotria alba or horizontalis we've ever tested has come up positive for DMT.

So far only viridis and the 'Nexus' hybrid have tested positive.

 

[BringsUsTogether]

I sent some nervosa leaf off for analysis two years ago, along with the other Florida natives sulnzeri and ligustrum.

Unfortunately they were all negative for DMT. I don't recall exactly but I think they were negative for alkaloids in genaral.

Likewise no Psychotria alba or horizontalis we've ever tested has come up positive for DMT.

So far only viridis and the 'Nexus' hybrid have tested positive.

Thank you for providing us with this information. :thumb_up:

 

[ew1usnr]

That's a great idea. I'll go ahead and pluck some leaves now so they can be dry in time to send out.

Hello, MelCat.

These plants are native to where I live. The are very pretty with shiny dark green leaves and red berries. I have couple of them in my back yard. They re-seed themselves quite well and I have maybe twenty small sprouts growing around the two parent shrubs. I just dug up a couple of sprouts to give to my mother and a family friend as Christmas gifts.

Do not use the leaves. You can make coffee from the seeds. Some people claim that it is hallucinogenic. I have read that Indians made a drink from them. Maybe you can chew and eat the seeds without the bother of making coffee. The shrub will produce edible red berries. They taste watery and do not have much flavor. The seed is about the size of half a grain of rice and looks like a little coffee bean. I have not done it yet, but I plan to roast some seeds in in a toaster oven, grind them and make coffee. The plants are getting bigger and they will fruit again this summer. I should be able to get a tablespoon of seeds and that should make a cup.