Calling @Dorge, @Shiva13 and @KUSHMASTER if you still post here! You three were the only Nexians who posted success stories with evodia, albeit years ago.
I have obtained some extremely high quality evodia fruits and everclear. Both were expensive and are in limited supply, so I have to make wise decisions with the materials at hand.
My theoretical plan is to tincture the evodia fruits, and then evap down to a goo that can be used sublingually (and ideally worked into lozenges). Smoking is out (quit since pneumonia), eating runs the risk of metabolizing into bufotenine, and boofing is just something I don't want to court until I'm comfortable with the potency and dosing of what I pulled.
MY QUESTION: is there a chance that the 5meo in the evodia fruits could have converted to the oxide form?
If this is possible, could it account for the varying reports of alkaloids in the fruits? E.g. I think it was Trout who found some 5meo, but other studies didn't, some have speculated if one of the ethnobotanists goofed a decimal, there are a lot of mixed messages in the literature. Others have speculated that some testing of materials produced false negatives because the fruits were only being tested for 5meo and not the oxide form.
Dorge said: STB with Evodia Rutaecarpa for 5meoDMT?
Kushmaster said: wu zhu yu(evodia)extraction caried on from information thread
And thread talking about oxidation: Evodia Fruit Extraction Experiment
I hands-down believe evodia is a viable source. I haven't posted here in ages, but I have since amassed a mountain of college textbooks on the subject of Chinese herbal medicine. According to Chen & Chen, evodia affirmatively contains 5meo, is moderately toxic when taken orally with hypertensive symptoms, and will produce hallucinations if "overdosed." [My hypothesis: at minimum partial toxicity could be mitigated by a different ROA, because the text's description of high dose toxicity tracks with oral bufotenin intoxication symtpoms. There is also a recipe for an antidote in text and I am fully willing to take this one for the team. Some textbooks refer to psychedelics effects as "toxicity," also, so, "toxic" could mean poisonous, psychedelic, or a combination of the two.]
Ok, back to my question. Is it possible that 5meo in the whole fruits may have oxidized? Asking this because, would this change how I do the pull? I saw something about performing a zinc reduction, but at what stage would I attempt this? Before tincturing (and powder the fruits) or after?
forum.dmt-nexus.me
^Some chat about zinc reduction here but it's a little bit above my paygrade.
I've never messed with petrochems to extract. Would a food grade experiment be possible? Viable? I've always used d-limo/FASW for MHRB, and warm ethanol for salvia.
I don't have sources saved/accessible at this PC, but if I get ANYWHERE with this experiment, I will link all the studies I waded through and post scans from the texts.
tl;dr Does anyone have any guidance for attempting an ethanol pull of evodia fruits? What can I do to maximize my success? Do I need to do anything with zinc if oxidation is a concern?
Thanks everyone. I will gleefully report back.
I have obtained some extremely high quality evodia fruits and everclear. Both were expensive and are in limited supply, so I have to make wise decisions with the materials at hand.
My theoretical plan is to tincture the evodia fruits, and then evap down to a goo that can be used sublingually (and ideally worked into lozenges). Smoking is out (quit since pneumonia), eating runs the risk of metabolizing into bufotenine, and boofing is just something I don't want to court until I'm comfortable with the potency and dosing of what I pulled.
MY QUESTION: is there a chance that the 5meo in the evodia fruits could have converted to the oxide form?
If this is possible, could it account for the varying reports of alkaloids in the fruits? E.g. I think it was Trout who found some 5meo, but other studies didn't, some have speculated if one of the ethnobotanists goofed a decimal, there are a lot of mixed messages in the literature. Others have speculated that some testing of materials produced false negatives because the fruits were only being tested for 5meo and not the oxide form.
Dorge said: STB with Evodia Rutaecarpa for 5meoDMT?
Kushmaster said: wu zhu yu(evodia)extraction caried on from information thread
And thread talking about oxidation: Evodia Fruit Extraction Experiment
I hands-down believe evodia is a viable source. I haven't posted here in ages, but I have since amassed a mountain of college textbooks on the subject of Chinese herbal medicine. According to Chen & Chen, evodia affirmatively contains 5meo, is moderately toxic when taken orally with hypertensive symptoms, and will produce hallucinations if "overdosed." [My hypothesis: at minimum partial toxicity could be mitigated by a different ROA, because the text's description of high dose toxicity tracks with oral bufotenin intoxication symtpoms. There is also a recipe for an antidote in text and I am fully willing to take this one for the team. Some textbooks refer to psychedelics effects as "toxicity," also, so, "toxic" could mean poisonous, psychedelic, or a combination of the two.]
Ok, back to my question. Is it possible that 5meo in the whole fruits may have oxidized? Asking this because, would this change how I do the pull? I saw something about performing a zinc reduction, but at what stage would I attempt this? Before tincturing (and powder the fruits) or after?
Old Bark, Goo and Zinc
Hey All, Long time member here but not been around for a long time. Took a hiatus as the kids were growing up. I just did an extraction on Acuminata bark that I have had for 7 plus years sitting in a box in the shed. I did a few extracts on the same bark a few years ago (same method) and all...
forum.dmt-nexus.me
^Some chat about zinc reduction here but it's a little bit above my paygrade.
I've never messed with petrochems to extract. Would a food grade experiment be possible? Viable? I've always used d-limo/FASW for MHRB, and warm ethanol for salvia.
I don't have sources saved/accessible at this PC, but if I get ANYWHERE with this experiment, I will link all the studies I waded through and post scans from the texts.
tl;dr Does anyone have any guidance for attempting an ethanol pull of evodia fruits? What can I do to maximize my success? Do I need to do anything with zinc if oxidation is a concern?
Thanks everyone. I will gleefully report back.
