purity of extracted dmt

[jfreak]

I tried to Google it but had trouble finding any testing done on the purity of extracted dmt.

Assuming the best possible materials and methods are followed what is the approximate purity of a well done extraction that results in white or clear crystals? What about if rexd in n heptane?

Has anybody done an extraction and had their product analysed properly?

I'm very curious as to the purity attainable through extraction as a basic a/b with a rex seems to make some very clean stuff for people.

 

[acacian]

it depends on what plant your using and what you seek.. generally if using acacia confusa your extract will not be "pure" in that it will not be just dmt in the mix.. I'd more consider impurities to be unwanted compounds or traces of chemicals though rather than other alkaloids which usually make the experience more interesting. other alkaloidal "impurities" are sometimes what makes an extract special

 

[endlessness]

Usually the clean looking white DMT extracted from mimosa hostilis can be anywhere from 80-98%+, according to my tests. That isn`t supposed to say that every white dmt is within that range, each specific batch has to be tested to know, but those are the values I got over a few tests.

Check the substance testing subforum for more info, for example acacia analysis thread, mimosa/jungle spice analysis thread etc.

 

[jfreak]

thanks endlessness. that pretty much answered it for me. I kinda wanted to know if a really clean extract could reach the high 90's percentage wise. just curious though. i really have no interest in pure d. They say the yellow, and even orange and gooey stuff has so much extra character and energy to it.

I know that with acacia its generally a mixture of dmt, nmt, oxides, and other fun stuff. I wonder if it's purged well if a good extract done with a standard a/b is all alkaloids?
a stranger at the train station today told me he achieved clear shards by simply recrystallizing yellow crystals in heptane. I assume that an extract has to be fairly pure in order to crystallize clearly and in big chunk. that said the man found not much purpose in cleaning any extract beyond yellow sandy looking stuff as this is just as, if not more active than the clear stuff and recrystallizing loses a lot. well not really lose, because you can save the waxy residue for changa or something but what's the point? might as well keep it "dirty" assuming its free of any solvent or excessive oils.
aside from maybe plant oils and alks what else can be in it? there aren't so many reactants or unreacted adulterants to be had from extraction as there are in synthesis which i guess is the one advantage.

sorry for the rambling post, it's late and i'm really stoney lol

 

[Infundibulum]

They say the yellow, and even orange and gooey stuff has so much extra character and energy to it.

Ah, the things they say.....

It's all only rumors, unsubstantiated rumors without hard evidence to support. You could have a pale beer or the very same beer with a minure amount of a tasteless dye added to change the colour and most people would rush and say that the coloured one has richer flavour and more character. Or you could label the very same beer as "organic" and instantly endow it with richer, deeper flavors.

 

[Orion]

They say the yellow, and even orange and gooey stuff has so much extra character and energy to it.

Ah, the things they say.....

It's all only rumors, unsubstantiated rumors without hard evidence to support. You could have a pale beer or the very same beer with a minure amount of a tasteless dye added to change the colour and most people would rush and say that the coloured one has richer flavour and more character. Or you could label the very same beer as "organic" and instantly endow it with richer, deeper flavors.

We need more Infundibulums around here. This jungle thing needs putting to rest.

 

[benzyme]

the way to determine purity is by integrating the curves under a chromatogram.
one may speculate by melting point test, but quantitative determination is done using
mobile phase vs. stationary phase --> detector, identification is typically done by mass detection.

 

[Doodazzle]

They say the yellow, and even orange and gooey stuff has so much extra character and energy to it.

Ah, the things they say.....

It's all only rumors, unsubstantiated rumors without hard evidence to support. You could have a pale beer or the very same beer with a minure amount of a tasteless dye added to change the colour and most people would rush and say that the coloured one has richer flavour and more character. Or you could label the very same beer as "organic" and instantly endow it with richer, deeper flavors.

We need more Infundibulums around here. This jungle thing needs putting to rest.

I'll take jimjam over white crystals any day of the week. Compared the two side by side and the difference was rather significant.

 

[jfreak]

They say the yellow, and even orange and gooey stuff has so much extra character and energy to it.

Ah, the things they say.....

It's all only rumors, unsubstantiated rumors without hard evidence to support. You could have a pale beer or the very same beer with a minure amount of a tasteless dye added to change the colour and most people would rush and say that the coloured one has richer flavour and more character. Or you could label the very same beer as "organic" and instantly endow it with richer, deeper flavors.

haha. Ok buddy.

I KNOW its different because...well. IT IS!!! I know, very scientific. being the son pf a physicist I cringe at the thought of this very unscientific, unrational way of looking at things, but for my pokemon who tells me these crazy things he does experience shows the truth.

that said, i'm not talking about mimosa here. I'm talking acacia. It's well known that acacia contains a shmorgasboard of actives that are removed when purified.
The goo from acacia, from my pokemons exp. comes up slower and "chiller" and the body high is ridiculous, almost uncomfortable. and after the rush i come down to the most orgasmic body high ever and my headspace is dreamy, and sleepy, and I fall into dream visions for like 15 minutes.

It's almost like the difference between changa and deems. He's made changa with the goop, and passion flower extract as a weak maoi not expecting much. in the end it worked, even though the passionflower extract tastes rather gross, and it added length, depth, and sedation/dreamy visions for like half an hour or more.

Now you can tell me it's all in my head, blah blah science prevails while you waste and throw away the goop from recrystallization, and cut down your grams of yellow crystal to half the weight without really affecting potency. if it works for you, do it.

for my pokemon. He'll do what worked for him. and the purer stuff is always disappointing. yes, it rushes you, and you feel like a runaway train and get blasted into a wormhole and operated on by squidfaced entities(actually happened lol they were beaming energy/info into my chest thru their tentacles) BUT sometimes that isn't quite the point. for people that ACTUALLY use it for introspection rather than cosmic shits and giggles the slower longer trip of the goop, or maoi enhancement is far more conducive to introspection.

 

[jfreak]

perhaps the difference i'm experiencing is nmt? because it seems too radically different than placebo, and I'm not the only one who notices this. Just because we don't understand why it's causing these subjective differences doesn't mean there isn't something about it that we don't understand yet. I'd venture to say we actually know very little about mimosa, and especially acacia

It's well known to people who use acacias to not throw away any goop or color because it's all extremely active.

anyways back to nmt. I've heard it said that nmt is more of a spacial hallucinogen which floats well with what i experienced. I found that more colored stuff let my mind become less lucid, more of a dreamy sedated state where I feel my body and my mind floating.

 

[endlessness]

It all depends on plant material. Some acacias do have high amounts of other potentially active tryptamines and beta carbolines.

I do think that trying to tell alkaloid content by the color of an extract is not possible, since our eyes are no mass spectrometers and crystals can be polymorphic, as well as different things can look the same.. so I find the "yellow = some or other alkaloid" suppositions unreliable and unnecessary. It can be many things in different cases, so we cannot generalize.

In acacia confusa, NMT is most likely responsible for the bulk difference in experience, though there might be other minor alkaloids there that we dont know about. One interesting question is why acacia confusa seems active orally if analysis doesnt seem to show any significant amount of MAOIs to orally activate NMT and DMT.

Other acacias may have a wildly different content, or some extracts might be very similar to mimosa hostilis. We would have to look at individual cases.

Still a lot of unanswered questions. I think the way to go about this would be at least do more TLC tests together with personal experiments/bioassays, to give more indication on what we are looking at when extracting from various plants and using different methods.

 

[jfreak]

It all depends on plant material. Some acacias do have high amounts of other potentially active tryptamines and beta carbolines.

I do think that trying to tell alkaloid content by what color an extract way is not possible, so I find the "yellow = some or other alkaloid" suppositions unreliable and unnecessary. It can be many things in different cases, so we cannot generalize.

In acacia confusa, NMT is most likely responsible for the bulk difference in experience, though there might be other minor alkaloids there that we dont know about. One interesting question is why acacia confusa seems active orally if analysis doesnt seem to show any significant amount of MAOIs to orally activate NMT and DMT.

Other acacias may have a wildly different content, or some extracts might be very similar to mimosa hostilis. We would have to look at individual cases.

Still a lot of unanswered questions. I think the way to go about this would be at least do more TLC tests together with personal experiments/bioassays, to give more indication on what we are looking at when extracting from various plants and using different methods.

thanks again endlessness, i appreciate how you actually try to answer questions and provoke dialouge rather than argument. Some people have an urge to put down others experiences as quackery becuase they experienced different. not such an enlightened, scientific viewpoint if you ask me, in fact if more scientists could put aside preconceived notions it would certainly advance faster. on the flipside, more people do need to put more emphasis on scientific method, and rational thought in general, I understand that completely. But when rational thinkers refuse to accept new ideas, because they "know everything" theres a problem. To say that different ratios and purities of a plant extract simply cant have different psychoactive effects is certainly not rational.

It irks me how people just discount jimjam stuff as placebo. I realize we know next to nothing about it, but to compare it to drinking the same beer side by side with different dye? PLEASE these are not two of the same substances, they are different in appearance which would seem to indicate that they differ in composition as well. I'm not saying what these differences are, because we simply don't know enough, but differences there are and they are massive.

 

[Orion]

Regarding the jimjam placebo thing... For MHRB I believe we have enough information to put the jimjam thing to rest. I'll take a step back from the acacia though, slightly different story there which changes between species.

 

[benzyme]

my power ranger thinks your pokemon has done too much drugs.

 

[endlessness]

The term jimjam came up when talking about mimosa hostilis, not the different acacias. It`s true that jimjam from mimosa has been tested several times and it seemed to contain mostly dmt, with only very small amount of other substances. We had one user do blind testing and he could not tell appart different types, and nobody else accepted doing true propper blind testing to see if they found differences.

It is more plausible to talk about difference in effect in "full extracts" of acacia versus purified dmt, since they have been shown to contain significantly different alkaloid content. But simple appearance, as mentioned before, is in no way a reliable way to tell content, we`ve also tested some dark brown or greenish looking extract that were mostly dmt, as well as other clean-looking extracts that had significant amount of other tryptamines appart from dmt. I think it`s really a case by case thing.

 

[jfreak]

ya, good point. I can't say much about mimosa. My pet pokemon has has white, yellow, and orange dmt from mimosa but the doses were all variable, the only one he had extensive exp. with was a yellow powder with which 30 mg would break through to entities. Strangely his first exp was LARGE translucent orange crystals which looked magnificent. it was obtained from an old school freak so I assume the cook was very experienced. He's never seen such large orange crystals since, usually when he sees colored stuff its sandy.

back to the point, what the poke monster does have exp with is acacia confusa trunk bark extract. He gets yields of around .5%

Most of it in the form of yellow sandy crystals with a much different subjective feel to mimosa derived deems. I don't seem to have as much entity contact with the acacia stuff but it's by no means "weak"

He tends to have a slower comeup, more "shroom like" trip, deeper visions, more sedation and disconnection from reality but overall a smoother more pleasurable trip with a noticably better boy high. that said, it's been a while since he did any mimosa stuff, it would be nice to do side by side or blind testing

 

[jfreak]

my power ranger thinks your pokemon has done too much drugs.

I know, he's always out running the fields, fighting, getting into trouble. I've been trying desperately to get the poor thing into rehab but he just flat refuses and goes and mopes in his poke ball.

 

[cyb]

What on Earth is a pokemon? :surprised

 

[jfreak]

fuzzy little creatures that us Japanese like to enslave and use like fighting dogs. We also make them live in cramped poke balls. Pretty vicious if you ask me, but it's engrained in our culture unfortunately. I rescued my pokemon from the pound. He used to fight, but now he has a happy life.

 

[cyb]

As long as it cooks up a fine JimJam...that's OK by me