q21 extrac problems

[hexan]

Hi folks,

My friend just did a Q21 extract with 200g Mimosa ( powdered )

He is v disappointed with the yield and a bit puzzled.

Followed the tech to the letter.

The first pull yielded 0.3g of v nice fluffies.

Subsequent pulls almost nothing.

On putting pulls 2,3,4 in the freezer there were a lot of whispy clouds floating withing first 20 mins but these never precipitated into grains and on draining and drying the swirly whisps were nothing more than oily residue!

Using vinegar, clean naptha, kalkwasser lime and following the tek strictly but I never seem to get good yeilds. What I do get is superb but it's a lot of work for such meagre results!

What are the strange whispy clouds that fail to turn into grains and stick to the pyrex glass in my friends freezer?

Any ideas?

H

 

[3rdI]

Hello,
I have had a similar problem to you. I chose Q21's tek as it seemed the easiest but I always fail to get a decent yield, (been trying on and off for a year now)

I never seem to get more than 300mg, I eliminated every variable apart from buying a new freezer. However I switched to his Jimjam tek and it works every time.

Maybe try a different tek.

 

[ntwhtyouknw]

Your solvent may not be saturated enough, evap down to about 50 ml. I have precipitated my naptha to exhaustion only to find evaporation crystals had formed that wouldn't fall out in the freezer.

 

[hexan]

Hello,
I have had a similar problem to you. I chose Q21's tek as it seemed the easiest but I always fail to get a decent yield, (been trying on and off for a year now)

I never seem to get more than 300mg, I eliminated every variable apart from buying a new freezer. However I switched to his Jimjam tek and it works every time.

Maybe try a different tek.

Like you say, I can't pinpoint the problem so I may jump to a new tech!
Thanks

 

[hexan]

Your solvent may not be saturated enough, evap down to about 50 ml. I have precipitated my naptha to exhaustion only to find evaporation crystals had formed that wouldn't fall out in the freezer.

Seems to take ages to reduce my solvent and I hate the risk of dust getting all over the naptha! But I think you are right. I need to half my volume and hit the freezer from there!

Lets see

Any quick way to evap naphtha, I'm on a tight deadline!

thx

H

 

[3rdI]

howdy, put your naphtha container in a warm bath and get a fan on it, but keep an eye on it as it can evap quite fast.

i wouldnt worry to much about a little dust, you can always recrystalise. I would recomend the Q21 jimjam tek, if you can get that to work you know that your process up to freezing is good. I ordered some fumeric acid this week so i can try to get some crystals using the BLAB tek.

good luck

 

[hexan]

howdy, put your naphtha container in a warm bath and get a fan on it, but keep an eye on it as it can evap quite fast.

i wouldnt worry to much about a little dust, you can always recrystalise. I would recomend the Q21 jimjam tek, if you can get that to work you know that your process up to freezing is good. I ordered some fumeric acid this week so i can try to get some crystals using the BLAB tek.

good luck

I don't have a fan here! I have put the Nap in a very big flat container and opened all the windows and my oven extractor fan! Fingers crossed.

I'm getting tired of this shit.

yesterday while giving my Naptha an indirect heat bath it suddenly caught fire! I shit myself, threw the container in the sink, the Naptha went everywhere lighting up my whole sink area!

My mind raced... "oh fuck I've done it now, this is gonna get out of hand and set my whole kitchen ablaze, FUUUUUUUCK"

I quickly rummaged for the fire extinguisher and by the time I found it the flame had gone out but not before I did some quality thrashing around the kitchen! I'm glad nobody saw me, I was embarrased for myself!

I am v careful with Naptha and seldom complacent! That stuff is fairly unforgiving of mistakes!

Needless to say now I'm 2 x careful!

Thanks for the tips

H

 

[Vodsel]

Once I was heating up water to give a warm bath to the admixture container. I removed the lid from this one two feet away from the stove, and the hexane vapors coming out of the mix caught fire within two seconds, setting the whole recipient ablaze. I was lucky to keep my eyebrows, and even if the happening ended fine, the next five minutes were a fascinating display of the thin line between comedy and tragedy. There's never too many reminders - flammable hydrocarbons are to be dealt with EXTREME CARE.

That said, I think one of the reasons why yields can be low is related to that. Certain admixture textures do absorb a LOT of solvent. Thus a good deal of the yield stays in the mix and won't be properly decanted.

Suggestion for the oily residues after freezing-evapping: they are usually alkaloids partially redissolved in traces of solvent. Redissolve in naphtha, keep aside, reuse for an extra pull. If necessary, rectify the texture before by letting the mix dry until apple crisp texture is achieved. It seems to give the optimum results. Eventually the decanted solvent will be saturated enough for a decent FP.

Another option I never tried but makes sense is using a french press, in order to squeeze all the solvent out of the mix.

 

[oden]

my friend uses this tek everytime..it works well.
what my friend did for best yeilds,was a big open bowl,and after a warming,uesd naptha
you fold it in like cutting slices of a cake overe and over and allowing the naptha to run deep thoughout the mixture
and kept folding it back in,he loves this tek

he tried the jars but was not happy with his yeild, the tek is solid,try what he said and if your bark is good.
you will be happy......good luck Oden

p.s he used a temp gauge to keep it at 120 degrees,also one very big point,
p.s.s....he said never was this done around a fire flame,if you have too use hot plate!!!!

 

[hexan]

my friend uses this tek everytime..it works well.
what my friend did for best yeilds,was a big open bowl,and after a warming,uesd naptha
you fold it in like cutting slices of a cake overe and over and allowing the naptha to run deep thoughout the mixture
and kept folding it back in,he loves this tek

he tried the jars but was not happy with his yeild, the tek is solid,try what he said and if your bark is good.
you will be happy......good luck Oden

p.s he used a temp gauge to keep it at 120 degrees,also one very big point,
p.s.s....he said never was this done around a fire flame,if you have too use hot plate!!!!

Thanks for your post. I think I'm done with this tech now! I've tried quite a few variations of the finer mechanisms of the tech and it just doesn't work for me!

tried folding the Naphtha in but still not happy with outcome.

I think I need to try different lime and different Naphtha to eliminate those at least!

Maybe jimjam tek next after my eyebrows grow back ; )

cheers

H

 

[hexan]

Once I was heating up water to give a warm bath to the admixture container. I removed the lid from this one two feet away from the stove, and the hexane vapors coming out of the mix caught fire within two seconds, setting the whole recipient ablaze. I was lucky to keep my eyebrows, and even if the happening ended fine, the next five minutes were a fascinating display of the thin line between comedy and tragedy. There's never too many reminders - flammable hydrocarbons are to be dealt with EXTREME CARE.

That said, I think one of the reasons why yields can be low is related to that. Certain admixture textures do absorb a LOT of solvent. Thus a good deal of the yield stays in the mix and won't be properly decanted.

Suggestion for the oily residues after freezing-evapping: they are usually alkaloids partially redissolved in traces of solvent. Redissolve in naphtha, keep aside, reuse for an extra pull. If necessary, rectify the texture before by letting the mix dry until apple crisp texture is achieved. It seems to give the optimum results. Eventually the decanted solvent will be saturated enough for a decent FP.

Another option I never tried but makes sense is using a french press, in order to squeeze all the solvent out of the mix.

Thats one thing I havent tried, a crispy dry substrate! Maybe I will try one more Q21. I know the tek is great, its just a problem with either my technique or my m=raw materials!

Thanks Vodsel

H

 

[oden]

my friend when he started this tek..he just opened the tek on a laptop and just went step by step..
pic by pic and said it came out perfect..plus he talked and sang to it???
word for word did not change one thing..goodluck

 

[Icon]

Dang I'd be worried if you can't get the q21q21 A/B down... my friend's tried others and in retrospect q21 is by far the easiest and fastest. Can get great yeilds going in the freezer in under 20min.

No matter what tek you go with just make sure you understand it. It's better to ask questions and use patience and precision than just wing it and whine about a low load.

 

[AluminumFoilRobots]

Hm yeah I don't know what to say... q21's is the only TEK I have used so far, for the mere fact that it is literally as easy as baking a cake and I always get good results... usually right around .9% -1.1% with good bark.! However I have actually found that some freezers work better than others... I've used two different ones and one of them could be adjusted and the other I cannot figure out how to adjust. I noticed in the adjustable one that 18 hours had gone by and I was getting only clouding like you said, so I found the knob and put it on max. Within 12 hours half the Spice was precipitated. So look for a knob.

As for your fire... are you using a flame stove? I've only used electric and they don't catch the fumes aflame. Just remember to not have any flame about when there is warm (read-fuming) hydrocarbon solvent in the vicinity! Or was the fire on an electric stove and I need to watch out? I pre-heat my naphtha....

My technique is this: I always do a little more than the tek calls for. More Acid, more base (it calls for a minimum of 3:4 but I always do 1:1), and I heat the naphtha above warm and then do a hot water bath in the basified rootbark...

Are you sure you have good quality bark?

I'm sorry to hear about your troubles friend I hope it works out... maybe try the first TEK with d-limonene? Or just move on to another method?

good luck!

 

[hexan]

To All who posted and offered advice and encouragement back when I first posted, Thanks. Update.
After poor results with Q21 a few years ago I repeated the process with new substrate, this time powdered MHRB which I had lying around for 4 years.
I'm happy to report yields in excess of 1% and I put previous failure purely down to bad MHRB.

The one good thing was that I dialled the procedure with bad MHRB and as soon as I used good stuff the process flowed beautifully.

Within 30 mins of putting the tray in the freezer I could see this was going to be an entirely different result.

Thanks again and be careful out there : )

H

 

[Icon]

To All who posted and offered advice and encouragement back when I first posted, Thanks. Update.
After poor results with Q21 a few years ago I repeated the process with new substrate, this time powdered MHRB which I had lying around for 4 years.
I'm happy to report yields in excess of 1% and I put previous failure purely down to bad MHRB.

The one good thing was that I dialled the procedure with bad MHRB and as soon as I used good stuff the process flowed beautifully.

Within 30 mins of putting the tray in the freezer I could see this was going to be an entirely different result.

Thanks again and be careful out there : )

H

After re-reading the OP, I'd like to also note the temperature of the solvent when you're doing pulls. You want it hot when pulling so it can hold as much DMT in solution as possible to be precipitated out when put in the freezer. I've been compiling all my little 200-300g extractions in a 5gal bucket and pulling from it now and then. I recently thought it was finally all spent because of how little the yield was. But I also noticed my hot water bath method wasn't able to properly heat the ~10 pounds of bark sludge I'd accumulated by then. So I put it all in a sealed container in my pressure cooker and pressure-heated the entire thing to ~130f degrees. I also heated the solvent to ~120f. Fumes were flying everywhere by the time I was mixing the two together, so be sure to wear a mask and be careful when heating solvent-laden organic matter on the stove. But the process proved completely worth it; that pull yielded over 3 times as much spice as normally, when the previous pull was barely more than residue.

TL;DR - extracting while hot is key.

 

[smokerx]

Best tek ever for me , you either did something wrong or low percentage of dmt in your plant.

look here

Maybe you got wrong lime or consistency of the bark, lime, water mix see picture number 3 for right consistency

also check the device I made in post n.3 very easy to do