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Q21Q21 Vinegar + Lime A/B/A (xylene/limonene) and A/B (naptha) Teks

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Quick questions for Q21Q21,

"How warm is warm?" Room temp? C/F?

) think I can figure out hot "hot" is.)

Lime/MHRB can be dried out and it is better for the d-limo soak?

Also, most importantly...

SWIM did not add vinegar, I feel stupid now.
(You stated that this step could be skipped, but you would just get a better yield.)
SWIM added 60 G. lime to 100 G MHRB and 300 ml. water.
(Way to much, should have used 200 ml. I know. Left to evaporate over 1 week! Got confused with ron69 tech.)
Soaked and stirred in 200 ml. d-limonene for 2 days now and the d-limo is almost clear, just a slight "tinge" of brown I think.

Is this ok??? Will I still get a (Diminished)yield?

I am getting ready for the vinegar 5 minute shaking/separations.
I know I should have soaked in vinegar, but will it still work?
Thanks for the tek, simplicity at its best!
Sincerely,
Miss Demenor.
 
Finally, it is turning yello! I know I won't get 1.3%, but I should get something. Next time I swear I will use vinegar.
Pardon my paranoia.
Speaking of paranoia...

"Why do crack heads have sex doggie style?"



(So they can BOTH look out the window!)

Love,
Miss Demenor.
 
Infundibulum said:
FYI, leaking of Bisphenol A, a plastifier compound used in polycarbonate plastic bottles (the ones commonly used for water or other drinks) has estrogenic activity and has been deemed unsafe for humans. One reason very hot liquids should not be used in plastic water bottles is for minimising leaking of Bisphenol A into the water.
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Interesting article in Nature regarding studies into the toxicity of Bisphenol A. Personally, I have a thing for nice glassware, so ziplok bags etc are out. :lol:
 
So for the first tek, you add vinegar to the pulled limolene or xylene. Can you also do the vinegar thing with naphtha too? I would rather evap vinegar than naphtha. Also, I seem to be having problems evaping my naphtha. It seems to evap very slow. Thanks.
 
fnog9 said:
So for the first tek, you add vinegar to the pulled limolene or xylene. Can you also do the vinegar thing with naphtha too? I would rather evap vinegar than naphtha. Also, I seem to be having problems evaping my naphtha. It seems to evap very slow. Thanks.
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Forget evapping Naptha. Put it in a cold freezer overnight, pour off the naptha the next day and re-use. What's left in your cold dish are the goods!

I don't know if the vinegar works with naptha or not.
 
fnog9 said:
So for the first tek, you add vinegar to the pulled limolene or xylene. Can you also do the vinegar thing with naphtha too? I would rather evap vinegar than naphtha. Also, I seem to be having problems evaping my naphtha. It seems to evap very slow. Thanks.
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it WOULD work, but the whole purpose of the naptha tek is to get nice white crystals and freezer precipitation works very well

Of course like I said it WOULD work just like mixing vinegar and dmt-containing xylene/limonene.
 
Q21 - this is a GREAT tek. It's ridiculously easy, clean, simple, non-toxic and the yield looks really promising. Thanks man!
 
I'm curious how much difference it makes doing the initial A part, with the Hot Vinegar.
Would STB be acceptable with this tech? Would it take longer but still work; would heat be helpful STB?

Also, with the addition of concentrated Vinegar, wouldn't this render the need for more Lime to properly basify?
For example maybe a full 1:1 Lime Mimosa is needed after adding pure Vinegar to the initial A/B step?
Thanks...
 
plumsmooth said:
I'm curious how much difference it makes doing the initial A part, with the Hot Vinegar.
Would STB be acceptable with this tech? Would it take longer but still work; would heat be helpful STB?

Also, with the addition of concentrated Vinegar, wouldn't this render the need for more Lime to properly basify?
For example maybe a full 1:1 Lime Mimosa is needed after adding pure Vinegar to the initial A/B step?
Thanks...
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The STB method doesn't work well, it is explained thoroughly in a reply on the other thread

q21q21 said:
SWIM did 4 trial runs for his first limeteks.

SWIM is very interested in the exact timing of the reactions as would be clearly deduced by reading his tek. So he did pulls using naptha every 2-3 hours for 2 of them and literally got no measurable product until 1.5 days when finally the naptha got some product.

In total he got about .6% the first time with lime STB
The second time he got about .85% using naptha.
It was also quite a bit more yellow than using the A/B method.

The 3rd and 4th were done with limonene and gave very similar results. On the 4th he didn't even bother adding the solvent till 48 hours had past.

During the 4th trial SWIM read amor-fati's then brand-new tek and was suprised by the lack of "wait 48 hours"
He then tried simply adding some hot vinegar for the first step in a tiny 30g batch and was SHOCKED when in the span of 3.5 hours he had .75% and finally .93 after the last pull.
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As for the vinegar:
Vinegar is a very very very weak base compared to the lime and even using 1:2 lime to MHRB is quite a large excess using straight 5% vinegar. According to 69ron's brief limetek only 1:4 is actually needed, it's just lime is so cheap it's never a worry to be safe and using 1:2 or 2:3 or even 1:1.
 
q21q21 said:
As for the vinegar:
Vinegar is a very very very weak base compared to the lime and even using 1:2 lime to MHRB is quite a large excess using straight 5% vinegar. According to 69ron's brief limetek only 1:4 is actually needed, it's just lime is so cheap it's never a worry to be safe and using 1:2 or 2:3 or even 1:1.
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Actually SWIM just tried using 65g of Lime for 200g of MHRB and about 1:3 vinegar to water and he only got .08% from the xylene pulls and 0% on the naptha pulls (a separate 200g)

He then went out and bought some lime and added it and he has cloudy naptha on this pull and about .2% on the first pull of xylene.

it's a little low for a first pull. Could be that he didn't wait long enough (35 minutes) or that he didn't use enough vinegar in the first step, but in any case the DMT is still in there, no worries.

In any case go for at least 1g lime for 2g MHRB or greater!
 
Just tried this tek (naptha pull) this weekend.
100g of MHRB turned to 1.75g yield, with x4 pulls in total.
Did increase the naptha from 100ml to 150ml since SWIM was losing about 50ml per pull due to evap and etc.

Great tek! Loved how decant was so much easier than conventional STBs.
 
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