Question about using DMT daily or multiple times daily for a long period

[harmala_afficianado]

I was wondering how dmt works with no tolerance build up, how does it feel after few months or years of taking dmt daily? Do the trips feel duller? Brighter? More serious? How does your baseline feel when you haven't used it in 24+ hours? Im really curious as i have never tried dmt but only mushrooms, and i cant really put my hands on how would it feel being in the mushroom state every day, hence why taking it the second day would be alot weaker.

 

[brettsta]

You can't seriously do it everyday, that would be disrespectful, And would probably break ya brain.
It doesn't seem to build up a tolerance as such , but it's so full on and impactful, it knocks You for six .

Occasionally but consistently, once or twice a month is reasonable , Sometimes too in a row
if the winds in your sails .
Yes It does change over time ,? , some visuals do dim , and I've never been back to some early experiences.
But just when your least expecting it , it will blow ya mind and surpass all that's come before !
or it will tare you a new arse , again .

 

[harmala_afficianado]

You can't seriously do it everyday, that would be disrespectful, And would probably break ya brain.
It doesn't seem to build up a tolerance as such , but it's so full on and impactful, it knocks You for six .

Occasionally but consistently, once or twice a month is reasonable , Sometimes too in a row
if the winds in your sails .
Yes It does change over time ,? , some visuals do dim , and I've never been back to some early experiences.
But just when your least expecting it , it will blow ya mind and surpass all that's come before !
or it will tare you a new arse , again .

i think ive seen people report that you can use dmt more often if its used with harmala, because of the grounding effect it has, what do you think?

 

[DetritusTheEgo]

There was a thread from someone who was saying it was a year since doing it daily. I read the first post but looks like it is now five pages long, so can't say I'm fully up to date with where it went. I can't think of any other threads that jump to mind but I'm sure search will turn up many too, so feel free to read through it if you feel Any other daily travellers here?

 

[Nydex]

You can't seriously do it everyday, that would be disrespectful, And would probably break ya brain.

I could not disagree more with a statement like that. @Voidmatrix has had long periods where he did it basically every day, sometimes more than once a day. Does that mean he's being disrespectful towards the medicine? Do you think it "probably broke his brain"? It's just a load of baseless assumptions that I don't understand the root of.

If the medicine itself compels you to work with it every day, what then? Is the medicine disrespectful towards itself?

Ultimately every individual's relationship with this stuff is highly personal and often inapplicable to other people. Do what feels right, and don't worry about the societal implications and dogma surrounding that. The point is that you develop a relationship with the medicine that works for you, and if that means daily use, then that means daily use.

 

[doubledog]

Imo most often frequency decreases in time, as trips become more serious and possibly even unpleasant, as if something is blocking you to entering the space too often.
But it's very individual, the best is to be present and do not follow some artificial plan (like tripping every friday or similar)
It's not weightlifting, it has its own timing.
Sometimes trip only rarely, sometimes daily.

 

[Voidmatrix]

You can't seriously do it everyday, that would be disrespectful, And would probably break ya brain.
It doesn't seem to build up a tolerance as such , but it's so full on and impactful, it knocks You for six .

Occasionally but consistently, once or twice a month is reasonable , Sometimes too in a row
if the winds in your sails .
Yes It does change over time ,? , some visuals do dim , and I've never been back to some early experiences.
But just when your least expecting it , it will blow ya mind and surpass all that's come before !
or it will tare you a new arse , again .

I could not disagree more with a statement like that. @Voidmatrix has had long periods where he did it basically every day, sometimes more than once a day. Does that mean he's being disrespectful towards the medicine? Do you think it "probably broke his brain"? It's just a load of baseless assumptions that I don't understand the root of.

If the medicine itself compels you to work with it every day, what then? Is the medicine disrespectful towards itself?

Ultimately every individual's relationship with this stuff is highly personal and often inapplicable to other people. Do what feels right, and don't worry about the societal implications and dogma surrounding that. The point is that you develop a relationship with the medicine that works for you, and if that means daily use, then that means daily use.

Apparently my daily use isn't only an indication I regularly smoke cannabis, but is also evidence of my disrespect for the molecule .

Albeit, I am not always going deep, I am getting in the habit of doing what I want when I want, which often entails daily DMT and/or changa, sometimes more than once in a day.

Should I be a metric for if you should or not? No, my path is my path. I don't recommend anyone do what I do. While it is physically safe and well tolerated, there are psychological impacts and boundaries that can subtly arise and without mindful attention, swaying ones system and being in unfavorable directions (messiah complexes and the like).

I was wondering how dmt works with no tolerance build up, how does it feel after few months or years of taking dmt daily? Do the trips feel duller? Brighter? More serious? How does your baseline feel when you haven't used it in 24+ hours? Im really curious as i have never tried dmt but only mushrooms, and i cant really put my hands on how would it feel being in the mushroom state every day, hence why taking it the second day would be alot weaker.

It's kinda wild, and I recommend having really sturdy integration protocols in place if you wanna flirt with this road.

Visions can become duller, but that's the only thing... I am not always trying to see anything. Sometimes I don't want to.

I never really had a honeymoon period, so it's all at least kinda serious and about the work to some degree.

Have fun, be safe, and be mindful.

One love

 

[brettsta]

I could not disagree more with a statement like that. @Voidmatrix has had long periods where he did it basically every day, sometimes more than once a day. Does that mean he's being disrespectful towards the medicine? Do you think it "probably broke his brain"? It's just a load of baseless assumptions that I don't understand the root of.

If the medicine itself compels you to work with it every day, what then? Is the medicine disrespectful towards itself?

Ultimately every individual's relationship with this stuff is highly personal and often inapplicable to other people. Do what feels right, and don't worry about the societal implications and dogma surrounding that. The point is that you develop a relationship with the medicine that works for you, and if that means daily use, then that means daily use.

Ok , wow a baseless assumption that you can't understand the root of ! . So is my experiences baseless ?
I say breaking through on DMT everyday 7 days a week is unwise, your saying that's wrong ?
We are talking about DMT one of the strongest psychedelics know to man!
I'm puzzled why you don't understand where I'm coming from , or maybe you have not properly broken through before?
If you have , Did it not blow your mind ? Did the tears not pore down your face from the overwhelming love and amazement , Did it not knock you for six !! and Could you do that everyday 7 days a week ,?

Also for every so many positive experience I'll get one or two , extream mind fuks ! It's inevitable.
Terror on a level rarely experience by a human that would definitely overwhelm the average brain . How many of these can you handle ? Are you going to get right back on that horse the next day .

Or have we got our wires crossed here , are you talking about micro/ mild dosing ? If that's the case then yeah
Whatever , that's a different experience knock your self out .
Same story with shrooms , micro dose yes , but your not going on a full blown mind bender everyday !

You said he had long periods where he did it , yes haven't we all , but that's not every day 7 days a week .
And that's great that he didn't brake his brain. Nor did I .

But my advice stands , it is not wise to attempt to breakthrough everyday . And in my opinion would be
Looked apone negatively by the Realm it's self .

 

[Panpsychic]

You can't seriously do it everyday, that would be disrespectful, And would probably break ya brain. It doesn't seem to build up a tolerance as such , but it's so full on and impactful, it knocks You for six .

Occasionally but consistently, once or twice a month is reasonable , Sometimes too in a row
if the winds in your sails .
Yes It does change over time ,? , some visuals do dim , and I've never been back to some early experiences.
But just when your least expecting it , it will blow ya mind and surpass all that's come before !
or it will tare you a new arse , again .

I would broadly agree with this but there are exceptions of course. However the exceptions are not the norm. It takes time to properly integrate the experiences and that just can't be done if one uses daily for prolonged periods.

From my experience, when people use any substance daily including DMT with or without harmalas, they either have had a prior strong cannabis habit which is carrying over and shaping their DMT use or else there are some psychological issues and traumas they are trying to work through or escape from. Which reinforces that while it can be done, even beneficially for some periods of time it isn't the norm and wouldn't be used like that in general for most.

i think ive seen people report that you can use dmt more often if its used with harmala, because of the grounding effect it has, what do you think?

This is a separate point, it you are doing Harmalas frequently or daily which do lend themselves much more to a grounding effect then adding the DMT layer sometimes but again, it would let you know the appropriate frequency.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Ok , wow a baseless assumption that you can't understand the root of ! . So is my experiences baseless ?
I say breaking through on DMT everyday 7 days a week is unwise, your saying that's wrong ?
We are talking about DMT one of the strongest psychedelics know to man!
I'm puzzled why you don't understand where I'm coming from , or maybe you have not properly broken through before?
If you have , Did it not blow your mind ? Did the tears not pore down your face from the overwhelming love and amazement , Did it not knock you for six !! and Could you do that everyday 7 days a week ,?

Also for every so many positive experience I'll get one or two , extream mind fuks ! It's inevitable.
Terror on a level rarely experience by a human that would definitely overwhelm the average brain . How many of these can you handle ? Are you going to get right back on that horse the next day .

Or have we got our wires crossed here , are you talking about micro/ mild dosing ? If that's the case then yeah
Whatever , that's a different experience knock your self out .
Same story with shrooms , micro dose yes , but your not going on a full blown mind bender everyday !

You said he had long periods where he did it , yes haven't we all , but that's not every day 7 days a week .
And that's great that he didn't brake his brain. Nor did I .

But my advice stands , it is not wise to attempt to breakthrough everyday . And in my opinion would be
Looked apone negatively by the Realm it's self .

Why do you feel you're enough of an authority or arbiter to make these sweeping constraints.

Your limits are yours. Just because you don't feel YOU can smoalk everyday, doesn't mean that others are in the same boat.

You're overgeneralizing, simply. One man's trash is another man's treasure and one man's wisdom is another man's idiocy.

One love

Edit: i am also in a kind of training phase where I am conditioning myself to be confident enough to handle sub breakthrough and breakthrough doses when I want, whether that's once in a month, or everyday in a month. I want options to fit my fancy in the moment.

 

[northape]

I remember a story about Ram Dass locking himself in a house with a few friends and using LSD constantly. They wanted to maintain the high state, but sure enough, everyone came down. It led to a trip to India and a move toward spirituality. Then there was an experiment with ayahuasca, where a group of healers drank the brew every day for weeks. It ended in a return to reality, whatever that meant for them at the time. These high states cannot be sustained, and you need some other way to get there for real, ime.

What I see nowadays is that people simply don't take enough, yet they preach about hyperspace or whatever. Somehow, a 15min immersion doesn't cut it. If you're in that state for days or weeks, it leads to a transformation of your relationship with life. We, on the other hand, want to take something out of it for ourselves. A quote from Trungpa comes to mind: "It is rather like wanting to witness your own funeral." Basically, this sporadic modern use keeps the ego intact enough to just seek more instead of surrendering.

Yeah, some people have created a practice out of dmt use, and from what I see, harmalas are usually in the picture somewhere. Those who just smoke pure dmt look more like explorers to me. They are fascinated with the landscapes, but somehow forget that it's all about you in the end.

I agree with @Voidmatrix here - each path is unique, and you had better be mindful. Without developing your own inner capacity, it's all more like drug use to escape for a moment. There are other, better alternatives if you want to use dmt-based medicine that way.

My views are far from popular here, especially with newcomers who want it all now. That is not how life works, and you always need to pay a price, just as in mundane reality. You had better ask yourself why you need to use it every day, and whether that is the approach that would benefit you the most. It's not about the substance, but your relationship with it, yourself, and life. When people miss the point, it's just sad. True healing comes from inside, and no medicine is necessary. If you have become rigid like most of us and need an opening, medicine is here to help. Basically, there is no point in asking strangers about how to relate to yourself. It's your life, and you need to find your own answers.

 

[brettsta]

Why do you feel you're enough of an authority or arbiter to make these sweeping constraints.

Your limits are yours. Just because you don't feel YOU can smoalk everyday, doesn't mean that others are in the same boat.

You're overgeneralizing, simply. One man's trash is another man's treasure and one man's wisdom is another man's idiocy.

One love

Edit: i am also in a kind of training phase where I am conditioning myself to be confident enough to handle sub breakthrough and breakthrough doses when I want, whether that's once in a month, or everyday in a month. I want options to fit my fancy in the moment.

Authority arbiter , Sweeping constraints. I can only speak from my own experiences fella , it's just my opinion
Im only treading the one path , I have no authority speaking about others and how they experience.

If someone asks a question, I answer it truthfully, my truth not anyone else's , all evidence comes from first hand knowledge, no hear say or some say , it's just my opinion to the best of my knowledge through experience.
Are we not all doing that ???

Big love all . Love a good chat

 

[Voidmatrix]

Authority arbiter , Sweeping constraints. I can only speak from my own experiences fella , it's just my opinion
Im only treading the one path , I have no authority speaking about others and how they experience.

If someone asks a question, I answer it truthfully, my truth not anyone else's , all evidence comes from first hand knowledge, no hear say or some say , it's just my opinion to the best of my knowledge through experience.
Are we not all doing that ???

Big love voidmatrix . Love a good chat

Of which i thoroughly love and encourage. I want to hear and see your perspective! The initial tone seemed somewhat sweeping and definite, and thought it might be helpful and prudent to point it out for the sake of our relative orientations to the discussion!

Speaking of this discussion, relative to daily use, I might be a bad metric because I am at least slightly mad.. at least... slightly. However, I say this because I've learned that the impact is generally the same for me regardless of dose and despite intensity. I think I engage more content in lower levels and am more immersed and see more when I dose higher. That is to say, lower doses have become stronger and my mileage is better.

Granted, I am also the guy that ended up in a hyperspace carnival on 6mg... I never know what i am going to get which also encourages low doses. But I think the more one low doses often, the more the space starts to pull you.

I am still thinking about the blue being and the elephant blowing purple smoke from 1 moderate hit of changa.

DMT is weird...

One love

 

[Voidmatrix]

I am curious. There are mentions of high use being indicative of certain things, like trauma, cannabis use, etc. I don't understand why this is part and parcel a conclusion drawn. Can one not frequent the space often with resolved trauma and without being a heavy cannabis user just because they want to? Seems pretty possible to me.

One love

 

[brettsta]

Of which i thoroughly love and encourage. I want to hear and see your perspective! The initial tone seemed somewhat sweeping and definite, and thought it might be helpful and prudent to point it out for the sake of our relative orientations to the discussion!

Speaking of this discussion, relative to daily use, I might be a bad metric because I am at least slightly mad.. at least... slightly. However, I say this because I've learned that the impact is generally the same for me regardless of dose and despite intensity. I think I engage more content in lower levels and am more immersed and see more when I dose higher. That is to say, lower doses have become stronger and my mileage is better.

Granted, I am also the guy that ended up in a hyperspace carnival on 6mg... I never know what i am going to get which also encourages low doses. But I think the more one low doses often, the more the space starts to pull you.

I am still thinking about the blue being and the elephant blowing purple smoke from 1 moderate hit of changa.

DMT is weird...

One love

Yeah I am I little sweeping , never really thought about it before , saying that northape may of mentioned it recently
But The opposite of sweeping and definite (broad, absolute, and unyielding) is narrow and tentative (restricted, cautious, and open to change)

Yeah I'll stick to sweeping

I'm pretty hardcore, there is no half measures with me , it's in balls in all .
I like the sub breakthrough in the woods or , with the miss . But I'm all about the breakthrough.

And that carnival , i been the couple times , incredible place , can't recall purple elephant, just loads of jesters having a crack .

 

[blig-blug]

while it can be done, even beneficially for some periods of time it isn't the norm and wouldn't be used like that in general for most

"Most" won't ever use psychedelics. Stating the fact that most people won't take psychedelics doesn't say much about the people that do. Likewise, saying that most people won't use DMT daily doesn't say much about the people that do.

I am curious. There are mentions of high use being indicative of certain things, like trauma, cannabis use, etc. I don't understand why this is part and parcel a conclusion drawn. Can one not frequent the space often with resolved trauma and without being a heavy cannabis user just because they want to? Seems pretty possible to me.

I believe this is what causes those strong statements about other people's motivations: Psychological projection - Wikipedia

 

[brettsta]

i think ive seen people report that you can use dmt more often if its used with harmala, because of the grounding effect it has, what do you think?

I don't know about that , I don't use harmala . But who knows, Different strokes for different folks I guess

 

[harmala_afficianado]

From my experience, when people use any substance daily including DMT with or without harmalas, they either have had a prior strong cannabis habit which is carrying over and shaping their DMT use or else there are some psychological issues and traumas they are trying to work through or escape from.

I think thats true for sure for most people, cannabis was the only reason i became obssessed with psychedelics, but then using rue frequently significantly helped if not pretty much killed that obssession

This is a separate point, it you are doing Harmalas frequently or daily which do lend themselves much more to a grounding effect then adding the DMT layer sometimes but again, it would let you know the appropriate frequency.

When you use rue daily (especially heavy doses) the psychedelic state doesnt seem as foreign as when your not using rue, i dont feel like i left earth like before ( when i was taking psychedelics and cannabis without the rue ) it just feels now like the rue has alot more space to work with.

I have tried dosing morning glory then dosing again 3 days later, and even though the third day i took a much smaller amount i had a somewhat stronger trip, but in a different way, same thing with cannabis, there is reverse tolerance to smoking when using rue with it.

 

[Nydex]

it's just my opinion to the best of my knowledge through experience

preceded by

You can't seriously do it everyday, that would be disrespectful, And would probably break ya brain.

does not read like you expressing your opinion, but you stating an objective truth that cannot be argued against.

I'm all for you sharing your advice and opinion in a balanced manner, but perhaps making it more clear from the start that this is your personal opinion and should not be treated as the one Truth would lead to more productive exchanges between you and others.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

I don't know about that , I don't use harmala . But who knows, Different strokes for different folks I guess

I think thats why you think you cant use dmt frequently, try using rue and you will understand