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Question about 5-MeO-DMT

La Honda

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Hello,

I have a question about this one. I have read quite a bit about it and saw many people in the underground communities portraying it as a very hard psychedelic to handle. However, I also have read that as it is way more potent than N,N-DMT the issue some encountered might have come because they simply took too much. Maybe they came from N,N-DMT and accidently miss dosed. I reckon Shulgin dose was quite high and this would make sense given what he wrote about it (crushing, useless, hard, etc.). The reports under controlled settings also contradict the underground reputation as the majority of people seem to have had a good and positive experience. I'm curious to know what you guys think and if I'm missing something here.
 
neurobloom told me in the chat 2-3 mg dose range is pleasant and i forget who but someone backed it up. It might have been The Sofa Traveler but I might be wrong. I've never used 5-MeO-DMT but would like to explore it in low doses like 2-3 mgs and perhaps with NN DMT or maybe NMT
It's absolutely a more potent psychedelic in larger doses

Are you considering growing Phalaris like Tanit? You can order seeds from neurobloom or Grasshoppers. Good sources, some of the most diverse psychoactive Phalaris strains from what I hear
 
I'll be looking into that thanks. I'm for now solely using (very strong) N,N-DMT vapes as it's WAY more usual to vape than actually smoke so since on this ones it's easy to breakthrough I got myself a few 5-MeO. That said you're totally, totally right, when I tried N,N-DMT I started really low as I didn't know how my tolerance was so, I might do the same. It is interesting how the 5-MeO-DMT got itself such a reputation though.
 
Yeah, my general advice is like with stuff such as Ibogaine or 5-MeO-DMT to keep doses low. Check out 5-MeO-DMT Hype or Hyperbole - a discussion on if 5-MeO-DMT is as profound as they say. By all means it has potential and many report it as a very promising psychedelic. Some say its their favorite. One thingbI notice reported is that 5-MeO-DMT trips are always the same whereas nn dmt is very variable; a new journey or experience each time
 
I experimented with 5-MeO-DMT many years ago with a friend, and I have to say it's my second-least favorite psychedelic. It was like being smashed across the bridge of my nose with a baseball bat – conscious unconsciousness, a void state sparsely populated by bubbles, which if entered, revealed nothing. The bodyload was also equally unpleasant – difficulty breathing, thumping/racing heartbeat, feeling like my limbs were in a vice-grip. The same thing, every time – a mindless, unpleasant bodyload.

I was very surprised when I read here that people not only like it, but get a lot out of it. To each there own. Obviously it's not for me.
 
My least favorite psychedelic? AMT. For me it was nothing more than a bodyload that made me feel fidgety, cold and restless with lots of bruxism. No visuals. No intellectual stimulation. (I wrote enough notes about it that I should post in a separate thread.)

I'm not sure if I really have a third least favorite psychedelic, but if pressed I would have to say syrian rue. I have yet to aquire a taste for it, and find the initial ataxia and nausea, followed by the intense stimulation, a bit cumbersome.

I just finished a book called Drunk in China by Derek Sandhaus, and he claims that it took him at least 70 times of drinking baijiu before he actually loved it. So, I'm chalking rue up to being just one of those things you've got to get used to before you can enjoy it.
 
I think a good rule is stay at 2mg or under at first. Then go up by like 1mg. At 7mg I was totally blown away. I was alone on a beach and had gone from 5 to 7 mg thinking that 2 mg more would be okay. I had a light out on a fairly public beach…came to with my legs in a tide pool and a naked woman was walking around with a hoola hoop(nude beach).

I couldn’t figure out what I even was for a moment. Be careful with this molecule and get a sitter if you even approach deeper experiences.
 
@Jamie01 I'm glad nothing bad happened on your experience; coming to on a tidepool would have scared me for a fear of accidental drowning

I hear 5-MeO-DMT mixes well with NN DMT but as stated keep the 5-MeO-DMT dose low but you could experiment with how much NN DMT is required to achieve a sweet spot
 
Yes I def could have drowned had I crawled fully into the water etc…everything just sort of vibrated into light within seconds and then just..I dunno I just call it a light out.

It comes so fast and at such a low dose, don’t expect you know what to expect and make sure you are in a very safe location.
 
100% Jamie01. Right now I'm trying to figure out how I could get a ratio for e-juice for 5-MeO-DMT where I could still dose in 2mg range but I'm worried vaping could be hit/miss. I might just simply use a GVG and weigh each dose out if i cant figure out dosing with vapes
 
Yeah, my general advice is like with stuff such as Ibogaine or 5-MeO-DMT to keep doses low. Check out 5-MeO-DMT Hype or Hyperbole - a discussion on if 5-MeO-DMT is as profound as they say. By all means it has potential and many report it as a very promising psychedelic. Some say its their favorite. One thingbI notice reported is that 5-MeO-DMT trips are always the same whereas nn dmt is very variable; a new journey or experience each time
Why very promising ? While spreading since 2010 or so it is somewhat old and known. Curious too what you've read about the trips being always the same, I've been hitting many reports on erowid and from different cults in the U.S, when they were using 5-MeO for rituals and sacraments back in the days, the experience seemed to vary quite a lot.
 
Yes I def could have drowned had I crawled fully into the water etc…everything just sort of vibrated into light within seconds and then just..I dunno I just call it a light out.

It comes so fast and at such a low dose, don’t expect you know what to expect and make sure you are in a very safe location.
Would you strongly recommend a sitter for a first time then ?
 
5-MeO-DMT - Hype or Hyperbole? here's the thread I was alluding to/basing my statements on. I want to re-iterate I've no direct experience to go on. I read someone noted that the experience isn't as variable compared with NN DMT

If anyone is interested neurobloom helped me with figuring out vaping 5-MeO-DMT
1 to 20 ratio 5-meo-dmt freebase to PG/VG mix

A dual 0.3 ohm coil RDA set up by geekvape gave me 1 to 2 mg dose by 4 sec hit. When i changed it to single coil same set up it actually gotten stronger. Dual coil is better in my opinion its more accurate dosing.

RTA also worked for same dilution but milder i needed longer hit like 6 secs

RDA is the old fashioned atomizer with no tank..you directly drip the juice onto the whick.. underneath the wick there's a small reservoir
1 to 20 ratio is 1g freebase to 20ml vape liquid but this only worked well for an RDA atomizer for something like ceramic wick vape carts 1 to 12 ratio is desired for 1mg per hit since the coil is tiny you'll need stronger juice concentration.

1 to 8 ratio with vape carts is good for 3 to 4mg per toke i think.. look up the jaguar pen google or the magic wand as it was called by it's creator.
 
5-MeO-DMT can be an absolutely fantastic experience, but I struggle to talk about it in a concise and meaningful way. I go back and forth on whether it should be compared at all to N,N-DMT. I’ve been wanting to write down my thoughts on 5-MeO-DMT for sometime now, and since this thread starts off asking about a comparison to N,N-DMT I’m going to seize this opportunity:

In my psychedelic community I know very few people that are in love with N,N-DMT the way I am and often when I say that my favorite substance is DMT they assume I am talking about 5-MeO-DMT, and I’ve heard many people say their best or most meaningful experience has been with it. Yet, their experience with N,N-DMT if they’ve even tried it is reported as weird or that it just doesn’t work for them. My take on that is that N,N-DMT is coming to them in an informal way, is rather difficult to dose properly and they’ve quit trying before getting it right, whereas with 5-MeO-DMT they are getting it in a retreat setting with proper guidance and having a quality experience right away.

The name, the administration, the onset, and to some extent the after-glow are similar. 5-MeO-DMT is something like 5X as potent, so weighing out a dose is more complicated since our commonly used mg scales aren’t that accurate when 1 or 2mgs matter. But on the plus side, breathing in the low dosage of vapor is easier.

Both substances take you somewhere you likely never imagined and return you with likely more questions than you had 10 minutes before, but the experiences are distinctly different. Both bring up questions. But, where N,N-DMT causes me to question reality and how my senses perceive it, 5-MeO-DMT makes me question what it means just to exist. (I hope that makes sense.)

I’m a curious person so both of them showing me some weirdness is what I find terrific. Both trips are indescribable, and yet I still try with whoever is around to listen. With N,N-DMT, an hour after I’m back I pretty much return to my normal thoughts and may just remember bits and pieces of the trip. It’s much like waking up from a dream. With 5-MeO-DMT I return kind of mentally shattered and it takes a day or two to recover. I think this is why 5-MeO-DMT seems to be more popular with the therapy retreats (at least in my area).

That idea of being shattered is how I can best describe it. I’m propelled into nothingness (sort of like general anaesthetic). That is completely unlike N,N-DMT where all my senses have something going on and there is some magical distortion of my mental mapping. With 5-MeO-DMT I black out and from there I start to reassemble. Bit by bit things start to return. I’m aware of vision. With my eyes closed all there is vast darkness, but somehow its in my vision. At some point I hear again, I realize I can speak, memories come back, I open my eyes and start to figure out who I am and where I’ve been. (It seems like memories come back one by one, and this may be where the therapy opportunities comes in as I feel I have some choice in what I care to remember.) I go into nothingness, completely alone and the return itself is what it is all about. With N,N-DMT I go to a place I enjoy with structure, color, motion, beings/entities that welcome me, and I return as if I’ve been on vacation. A completely different type of trip.

Weirdest thing about 5-MeO-DMT though, for me, is having my wife tell me that during the time I was in the blacked-out nothingness phase, I actually move around, speak coherently to her, and am able to respond to her reassuring me that I’m alright. That is so disconnected from what I thought I was experiencing, and not at all what happens on N,N-DMT. If you are doing 5-MeO-DMT, I think it wise to have a tripsitter.

Take care and enjoy both – they offer incredible experiences.
 
Would you say that you have a harder time translating your 5-MeO-DMT into words without betraying the experience VS N,N-DMT or even LSD ?
 
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