Question Chaliponga + Banisteriopsis Inebrians

[ZeHgS]

Hi guys,

I have in my possession 200 grams of Chaliponga and 400 of Banisteriopsis Inebrians. I have exhaustively searched for dosages and recipes, but I still am not sure about the ideal dosage.

I have never tried Ayahuasca of any kind before, but I have extensive experience with very high dosages of Cubensis mushrooms and LSD. What I am looking for with this is total ego death, so I'm not too intereseted in intense experiences, though they are also welcome.

The thing is, I've read in some places that 25g of Chaliponga is a very high dose, but I've also read that 50g is a moderate dose, so really it doesn't help me much. Which one is correct?

I intend to take 100g Banisteriopsis + 25g of Chaliponga at first, but since I will prepare all of what I have to store in the the fridge/freezer, I intend to take more Chaliponga if necessary. What do you guys think of this strategy?

Any recipes to recommend?

Thank you very much!

 

[concombres]

Hi guys,

I have in my possession 200 grams of Chaliponga and 400 of Banisteriopsis Inebrians. I have exhaustively searched for dosages and recipes, but I still am not sure about the ideal dosage.

I have never tried Ayahuasca of any kind before, but I have extensive experience with very high dosages of Cubensis mushrooms and LSD. What I am looking for with this is total ego death, so I'm not too intereseted in intense experiences, though they are also welcome.

The thing is, I've read in some places that 25g of Chaliponga is a very high dose, but I've also read that 50g is a moderate dose, so really it doesn't help me much. Which one is correct?

I intend to take 100g Banisteriopsis + 25g of Chaliponga at first, but since I will prepare all of what I have to store in the the fridge/freezer, I intend to take more Chaliponga if necessary. What do you guys think of this strategy?

Any recipes to recommend?

Thank you very much!

The thing about dosage with these plants is it can be incredibly variable depending on a few factors & this is why you see such variation in dosage reccomendations.

Is your vine large enough pieces to see a cross section? A second opinion on whether or not it is truely banisteriopsis inebrians would be very helpful in figuring out some very basic information about dosing.

For one, i do not know particularly about inebrians, but there are some active vines that do not contain harmalas at all, as well as different species in the banisteriopsis family that vary in alkaloid profile & levels of different harmalas.

Knowing for sure you have inebrians gives you an idea of the relative alkaloid profile.
Even then, alkaloid content among different plants of the same species varies. (ex. One banisteriopsis caapi vine from the same region of the same age can have different alkaloid content than one of the same species growing within a few hundred yards).
This goes for chaliponga too.
Take into account, you may want a positive identification on your chaliponga as well. I know psychotria species are often mislabelled as virdis when they are not which is inactive.

Once you have verified identity of your plants, figure out the alkaloid content of each plant.
I like to do small extractions on say 50g vine & note yeilds once product is purified.
That should give a better idea of exactly how much is in your vine +/-anything lost during extraction which shouldnt be too much.
Do the same for leaf.

After that, you have a very good idea of potency.

Body chemistry varies from person to person as well. Harmalas & dmt may effect you much stronger or much weaker than someone else.
What you need to do then, is based of how much you yeilded from each plant, dose appropriately maybe use a little less material to account for loss during extraction.

Start with vine only brews at low dosages. After you find what works best for you to feel harmalas & you are used to the effects add in small doses of leaf to the brew, working your way up, again, based on the yeilds from your extraction for dosage of dmt.

It may take some time, but working patiently & carefully this way will allow you to find a dosage of both that you are comfortable with & works.

Larger amounts of vine & leaf are good starting points becUse with new batches you may need to retest for alkaloid content.

If you keep a plan fro the beginning & follow it strictly, it will be alot less frustrating & produce more consistent results than just attempting random dosing at random times & wondering what went wrong & why sometimes it works & others it doesnt.

 

[jamie]

Banisteriopsis Inebrians and Banisteriopsis Caapi are the same species.

 

[concombres]

Banisteriopsis Inebrians and Banisteriopsis Caapi are the same species.

:lol: I need to start keeping a notebook.
Taxonomy is not my strong point but i'm slowly building up verified & correct foundation of information about this stuff from constant reading in my head.

 

[ZeHgS]

The thing about dosage with these plants is it can be incredibly variable depending on a few factors & this is why you see such variation in dosage reccomendations.

Is your vine large enough pieces to see a cross section? A second opinion on whether or not it is truely banisteriopsis inebrians would be very helpful in figuring out some very basic information about dosing.

For one, i do not know particularly about inebrians, but there are some active vines that do not contain harmalas at all, as well as different species in the banisteriopsis family that vary in alkaloid profile & levels of different harmalas.

Knowing for sure you have inebrians gives you an idea of the relative alkaloid profile.
Even then, alkaloid content among different plants of the same species varies. (ex. One banisteriopsis caapi vine from the same region of the same age can have different alkaloid content than one of the same species growing within a few hundred yards).
This goes for chaliponga too.
Take into account, you may want a positive identification on your chaliponga as well. I know psychotria species are often mislabelled as virdis when they are not which is inactive.

Once you have verified identity of your plants, figure out the alkaloid content of each plant.
I like to do small extractions on say 50g vine & note yeilds once product is purified.
That should give a better idea of exactly how much is in your vine +/-anything lost during extraction which shouldnt be too much.
Do the same for leaf.

After that, you have a very good idea of potency.

Body chemistry varies from person to person as well. Harmalas & dmt may effect you much stronger or much weaker than someone else.
What you need to do then, is based of how much you yeilded from each plant, dose appropriately maybe use a little less material to account for loss during extraction.

Start with vine only brews at low dosages. After you find what works best for you to feel harmalas & you are used to the effects add in small doses of leaf to the brew, working your way up, again, based on the yeilds from your extraction for dosage of dmt.

It may take some time, but working patiently & carefully this way will allow you to find a dosage of both that you are comfortable with & works.

Larger amounts of vine & leaf are good starting points becUse with new batches you may need to retest for alkaloid content.

If you keep a plan fro the beginning & follow it strictly, it will be alot less frustrating & produce more consistent results than just attempting random dosing at random times & wondering what went wrong & why sometimes it works & others it doesnt.

Banisteriopsis Inebrians and Banisteriopsis Caapi are the same species.

Thank you both very much for your answers!

My vines are compltely shredded. I think they truly are Banisteriopsis, though, judging both from pictures and from the fact that the place were I got this has a very good reputation.

In the end, I have actually decided to take a "roulette" approach. I will prepare everything I have and will start with 100g Banisteriopsis and 25g Chaliponga, taking more Chaliponga if necessary.

I will prepare it tomorrow afternoon and take it at night will report back with the results!