When pulling with a solvent such as Shellite, it is important that the solvent is hot. I wanted to clarify that if the solvent cools down while it is being mixed with the basified solution, does this cause the dmt to revert back to the basified solution? Or once the dmt migrates to the shellite will it always stay in the shellite?
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Question when Pulling with hot solvent
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I wouldn't worry about losing any magic in the time it takes to do a pull.
Sometimes goodies can start to crash out of the solvent if your pull is extremely saturated, but I would be surprised if the temperature dropped enough during the pulling process to worry about losing any that way.
Sometimes goodies can start to crash out of the solvent if your pull is extremely saturated, but I would be surprised if the temperature dropped enough during the pulling process to worry about losing any that way.
Thanks 3rdI,
Yes I was mainly worried about the temperature dropping and the solvent becoming less effective, countering the time given to allow as much dmt to come across.
Maybe with the warmer temperatures coming around now, its worth leaving solvents in basified solution out in the sun for a few hours.
Yes I was mainly worried about the temperature dropping and the solvent becoming less effective, countering the time given to allow as much dmt to come across.
Maybe with the warmer temperatures coming around now, its worth leaving solvents in basified solution out in the sun for a few hours.
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This could only really become an issue if the base soup is really cold ie near freezing. If that is the case then a hot water bath is your friend. Room temp mix should work fine.
You can IMHO get cleaner spice with cooler pulls of a longer duration but I tend to go for fast and hot and end up with more orange jungle spice but this is all personal preference as to what you want.
If you think at near boiling temp you can get 1g or so of clean spice to dissolve in 30 ml of solvent yet at -30c your talking about the same solvent holding just a few mg maybe 500 times less.
You can blow on your solvent and tell (roughly) how saturated it is. Fine white clouds appear in the solvent and then slowly disappear. If what you originally suggested did happen you would see the precipitate form and settle as a layer between the solvent and the soup. Hot water bath and a fresh pull would fix this so you don't need to worry.
Just think of the temp as a variable that can change pull time and saturation levels and then experiment away to find what works best for you.
You can IMHO get cleaner spice with cooler pulls of a longer duration but I tend to go for fast and hot and end up with more orange jungle spice but this is all personal preference as to what you want.
If you think at near boiling temp you can get 1g or so of clean spice to dissolve in 30 ml of solvent yet at -30c your talking about the same solvent holding just a few mg maybe 500 times less.
You can blow on your solvent and tell (roughly) how saturated it is. Fine white clouds appear in the solvent and then slowly disappear. If what you originally suggested did happen you would see the precipitate form and settle as a layer between the solvent and the soup. Hot water bath and a fresh pull would fix this so you don't need to worry.
Just think of the temp as a variable that can change pull time and saturation levels and then experiment away to find what works best for you.
I think that the migration of the DMT from the mix to the solvent is pretty fast, I did a test last week with room temp MHRB mix (maybe 15 degrees C) and hot solvent, I did 5 quick pulls(3mins each) and hit just over 1% of white magic. So I don't think it needs to be left out, just make sure the solvents warm when you start the pull and I think everything will be gravy.
I think theres some info on DMT migration into NPS that cyb has linked before, but I forget where it is, maybe its on his max ion tek.
I think theres some info on DMT migration into NPS that cyb has linked before, but I forget where it is, maybe its on his max ion tek.
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I am no scientist but I think that the blowing causes evaporation which in turn causes a cooling in the surface of the solvent (try wetting your skin and blow on it) this causes tiny crystals to drop out of the top layer of solvent (a la freeze precp). Crystals then float in the solvent for a little bit before re dissolving. More crystals there are and the longer they last the more saturated your solvent is.
Anybody with more knowledge please feel free to correct me if this is wrong.
Fridges and freezers both work on this cooling effect it is to do with the heat becoming spread over a larger surface area (the energy is dispersed and becomes less abundant) as a liquid becomes a gas.
Technically heat is energy and cold is a lack of energy therefore does not really exist.
Next time you leave a door open and someone says your letting the cold in you can tell them this is impossible as you can only let heat out.
Science is beautiful it's just a shame how many people have no interest in what is going on around them.
Peace and respect.
Anybody with more knowledge please feel free to correct me if this is wrong.
Fridges and freezers both work on this cooling effect it is to do with the heat becoming spread over a larger surface area (the energy is dispersed and becomes less abundant) as a liquid becomes a gas.
Technically heat is energy and cold is a lack of energy therefore does not really exist.
Next time you leave a door open and someone says your letting the cold in you can tell them this is impossible as you can only let heat out.
Science is beautiful it's just a shame how many people have no interest in what is going on around them.
Peace and respect.
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Bit off topic but it's strange how the solubility of oxygen decreases with temperature in water. Opposite to how alkaloids behave in a solvent.
Edit: I thought about this for 10mins after posting and it is the same as an alkaloid in a solvent only difference is the alkaloid is below boiling temperature. If you could heat the solvent without exploding or evaporation then the alkaloids would become less soluble as they vaporised out of the solvent into the atmosphere with the increase in temperature. Just like when you distill alcohol.
From afar it seems opposite but delve deeper and it's all part of the same system.
Edit: I thought about this for 10mins after posting and it is the same as an alkaloid in a solvent only difference is the alkaloid is below boiling temperature. If you could heat the solvent without exploding or evaporation then the alkaloids would become less soluble as they vaporised out of the solvent into the atmosphere with the increase in temperature. Just like when you distill alcohol.
From afar it seems opposite but delve deeper and it's all part of the same system.
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