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Nydex said:
Answering this is still quite important if you want to get any meaningful input :)
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Tbf, I've sometimes thought about using a washing machine for phalaris extraction, so this device might be of use for the acidic brews of plant material. It might well be fairly alkali resistant too.
 
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Transform said:
Tbf, I've sometimes thought about using a washing machine for phalaris extraction, so this device might be of use for the acidic brews of plant material. It might well be fairly alkali resistant too.
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this is the alternative use my buddy was looking for. 200-500g plant material use. can i post a link yall can check it out maybe get a better understanding
 
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Temu, eh? Well, there's always a chance it may turn out to be a poorly-engineered hunk of excreta, and that you may have to run it a few times to get rid of that factory smell that these grades of goods often seem to have. I don't think I'd use it for anything other than exclusively water-based solutions. I wouldn't trust any of the seals, and you'd have to be wary of electrical sparks in the presence of flammable vapours depending on the exact gubbins this thing has for running all that side of stuff.
 
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is there anything in the category of this type of machinery to consider. buddy tried a mag stirrer. “nope. glass stir rod “annoying. figure 8s duable, end over end with a 3-5L flask sketchy.” he recently got a sep. funnel he’s going to try out. he was also thinking of using this with a round glass cylinder and burping the jar. https://www.harborfreight.com/dual-drum-rotary-rock-tumbler-67632.html
 
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Transform said:
I think I'd go for the peristaltic pump idea, for circulating basic sludge through the NPS, ideally in a fairly tall, thin column, with the NPS being circulated in the opposite direction, up the column.
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Transform said:
I think I'd go for the peristaltic pump idea, for circulating basic sludge through the NPS, ideally in a fairly tall, thin column, with the NPS being circulated in the opposite direction, up the column.View attachment 100111
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do you happen to have a pdf or list of the making of this device and where to acquire it. also have you entertained this process and have had success?
 
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dextopia said:
do you happen to have a pdf or list of the making of this device and where to acquire it. also have you entertained this process and have had success?
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It's a simplification of some of the general ideas of counter-current liquid-liquid extraction. It should be accessible to the home hobbyist using some fairly readily available (and suitably resistant) materials.
 
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Transform said:
It's a simplification of some of the general ideas of counter-current liquid-liquid extraction. It should be accessible to the home hobbyist using some fairly readily available (and suitably resistant) materials.
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could you elaborate possibly on that. you have my full attention
 
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At its simplest, I could envisage this being achieved with the two pumps, a large jar, some flexible pipe, a wider piece of (ideally, stainless) steel or glass tubing, a few bits of thinner glass tubing and a 2-holed silicone bung, along with a stand and clamp or two. Glassblowing skills would open up the possibility of making a more satisfactory column - being able to look inside it is something of a bonus. The column also could be made by chopping up a spare Liebig condenser, especially one of the old ones without Quickfit ground glass joints. Otherwise you'd have the pipe with the silicone bung and a couple of bits glass of thinner glass tubing to connect up to the piping and pumps. I'd suggest some kind of valve to regulate the NPS flow as well.
[Countercurrent extraction is actually a separate technique for separating substances with similar distribution coefficiets, so I'm taking a bit of a liberty in using the term here.]

The idea behind the design illustrated in the sketch is simply another way of maximising contact between the aqueous and non-polar phases. With a small modification or two it could also be used for continuous extraction rather than the cyclical mode shown.
 
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Transform said:
At its simplest, I could envisage this being achieved with the two pumps, a large jar, some flexible pipe, a wider piece of (ideally, stainless) steel or glass tubing, a few bits of thinner glass tubing and a 2-holed silicone bung, along with a stand and clamp or two. Glassblowing skills would open up the possibility of making a more satisfactory column - being able to look inside it is something of a bonus. The column also could be made by chopping up a spare Liebig condenser, especially one of the old ones without Quickfit ground glass joints. Otherwise you'd have the pipe with the silicone bung and a couple of bits glass of thinner glass tubing to connect up to the piping and pumps. I'd suggest some kind of valve to regulate the NPS flow as well.
[Countercurrent extraction is actually a separate technique for separating substances with similar distribution coefficiets, so I'm taking a bit of a liberty in using the term here.]

The idea behind the design illustrated in the sketch is simply another way of maximising contact between the aqueous and non-polar phases. With a small modification or two it could also be used for continuous extraction rather than the cyclical mode shown.
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i like the explanation. might be able to get my hands or get in contact with a glass blower. what if you used one of those cannabis bongs with the twisty twirly thingy cut the neck of the bong or get a big enough one. so silicone is okay with the base solution and acidic nps.
 
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god damn i feel the workers in my their heads are spinning aka brain trying to wrap its cells around thst article. i understand. never was a school person. more hands on see with eyeballs 👀 type. that’s advance reading. maybe a a small dremel motor with a stainless steel stirrer rod or glsss rod doing a slow overhead stirrer. love to make a mini version of this creation to give it a decent try. has anyone in particular you know or anyone’s knows that has done this in the recent years with good success mmmmmm…..
 
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dextopia said:
i like the explanation. might be able to get my hands or get in contact with a glass blower. what if you used one of those cannabis bongs with the twisty twirly thingy cut the neck of the bong or get a big enough one. so silicone is okay with the base solution and acidic nps.
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The main thing would be to have the inlet pipe for the aqueous phase extending inside the column a little way below the outlet port for the naphtha. Silicone would be good for pipes that need to be flexible, but the chemical compatibility and resistance of the particular cure type of the silicone should be checked beforehand - iirc, platinum cured is best. Polypropylene may also be acceptable where semi-rigid pipes would be OK.
dextopia said:
god damn i feel the workers in my their heads are spinning aka brain trying to wrap its cells around thst article. i understand. never was a school person. more hands on see with eyeballs 👀 type. that’s advance reading. maybe a a small dremel motor with a stainless steel stirrer rod or glsss rod doing a slow overhead stirrer. love to make a mini version of this creation to give it a decent try. has anyone in particular you know or anyone’s knows that has done this in the recent years with good success mmmmmm…..
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Overhead stirring would be a lot simpler, indeed!

The principle of the design is just that naphtha gets drawn slowly up a pipe while denser, more viscous, basic sludge drops down through it. Getting the balance correct in there is about 90% of the job. I've cobbled together a few things over the years, but not this one. It became apparent that the operational parameters of any given design sometimes can be surprisingly unforgiving! It would be great if you managed to make prototype, especially with the help of your glassblower friend.
 
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