Questions about kaustiksoda

[SHroomtroll]

I have a extraction going that yielded ok results but i know i have alot of spice left to pull out.

I think my subpar results have been a combination of not basifying my water enough and bad solvents, apparentely i used a to heavy kind of naphta which was hard to evap safely.

Anyway i have started using heptan and started to pull out some spice, but so far iven only pulled about 0,5% after 3pulls.

I suspect that my water/lye solution is to weak, i could only find liquid lye which is water + lye and i guess it´s to much water.

Only thing i could find in the stores around me is kaustiksoda, which is Naoh,sodium,Natrium sterate.

Would it work to put a few teaspoons if this in my mix and try to pull again? or is this stuff not good to use?

 

[Crystalito]

Heh, i love german sounding names ,they tend to clump words together!

Now, "kaustiksoda" or caustic soda should be NaOH only. Natrium stereate (Sodium stereate) is a soap, look at its structure it has got a "charged" polar end and a big non-polar tail. That could mess up an extraction causing emulsions since its function would be to mix polar and non-polar elements, the way soap acts to remove grease.

I am also troubled by the presence of sodium in it. What do they mean "sodium"? Elemental sodium, the metal?! That reacts with water in a rather exothermic reaction to make NaOH but...if you see how they store sodium to prevent it coming into contact with humidity i doubt its in its elemental form (it would be the chemical equivalent of "asking for trouble").

Can you find the msds of the product?

 

[SHroomtroll]

I read some swedish tek´s and most of them use kaustiksoda,

although different brands could maybe add stuff?

i translated the names through google but i can rewrite the label (swedish)

Contains: Natriumhydroxid,natriumklorid,natriumstearat

 

[endlessness]

forget that, get something which only has natriumhydroxid (which is the same as sodium hydroxide, caustic soda, lye, NaOH)

 

[SHroomtroll]

Ok so if i get anything out will it be dangerous to smoke it?

Cause i looked around stores and all brands i found contained the same stuff,so i tried puoring about 50g in my sollution and will see what happens, if i get anything out i won´t smoke it untill i makesure there no funky stuff around.

So far i poured out one pull, it was preety blurry naphta i pulled, don´t know if it dmt or soap ive got out, remains to be seen

 

[SHroomtroll]

tried smoking a very small particle of it and it was horrible, probabaly soap or something that came along in the naphta...

Any wayto clean this or should i just throw it away?

 

[Trickster]

tried smoking a very small particle of it and it was horrible, probabaly soap or something that came along in the naphta...

Any wayto clean this or should i just throw it away?

Try mini-A/B extraction + Re-x. Should work.

 

[SHroomtroll]

Something like this?

1. put soapy crystals in water + vinegar

2. put mix in Naoh +water

3. pull again with fresh heptane?


Also i infused a bit off this crap with some tobacco, could i do the same with this or would to much crap come along?

 

[Trickster]

You are on the right track.

Something like this?

1. put soapy crystals in water + vinegar

Here I would let it settle for a few hours, decant and discard solids.

2. put mix in Naoh +water

It is better to pour in NaOH dissolved in some water.

Check the solution pH. Anything above pH 11.5 would do.

3. pull again with fresh heptane?

Yes. 3 times at least.

Combine pulls. Reduce until Heptane becomes cloudy. Proceed with freeze-precip.

Also i infused a bit off this crap with some tobacco, could i do the same with this or would to much crap come along?

Yes. You can do the same. You may extract some tobacco alkaloids as well, but you were going to smoke them anyway .

 

[SHroomtroll]

Just one question, where would the contamination stick?

In the acidic water or in the basified mix that i do later?

 

[Trickster]

Just one question, where would the contamination stick?

In the acidic water or in the basified mix that i do later?

Which contamination? The soapy stuff?

I believe, to answer your question one would have to know what exactly that is.

Sorry, I am not a chemist.

 

[burnt]

Soaps by nature are partly soluble in water and non polar solutions. Its going to be hard to get rid of it. Never use soaps.

 

[SHroomtroll]

I guess it´s natriumklorid and or natriumstearat that followed the dmt from the basified water in the naphta...

I´m wondering because i´m curious if these particles will follow the dmt though an A+B tek aswell or if it it´s cleaned out i´m wondering which part of the process will catch it.

 

[SHroomtroll]

Found another brand now that labeld only NAoH but when i got home and double checked their webpage they said they added aluminum schreeds wtf!?

This product is made for fixing plugs in pipes,

 

[SHroomtroll]

NaOh + Aluminum + water = hydrogen....

Lol how hard should it be to find some freaking lye around here...

 

[SHroomtroll]

Ive done some reading and understand that that was crap to, i will go to a few hardware stores tomorow and look around.


Edit:

Found this crazy tek how to remove the aluminum.

Right. I did it, just to prove you guys wrong.
Welders mask and suit were used for protection, along with vinyl, latex and finally some welders gloves over my hands.

Water at 60 degrees centigrade was used. A 600ml pyrex beaker was fitted with a double layer of coffee filters, taped to the side, and the filter filled half way up with a Drano NaOH-Al mix (even though I actually have pure stuff, but as I say this was for demonstration purposes).

I then stood a little back and began pouring the hot H2O on top of the cake of Drano. Almost immediately, a stream of clearish liquid began pouring from the bottom of the filter, steaming. Everything was steaming, but it appeared to just be the NaOH going into solution causing the exotherm at this stage. I got about 2/3's of the water through before the Al began visibly reaxting, with gray bubbles forming. A little gray filtrate wient through the fliter, but not too much.

Thus completed, I then evaporated off the solution in the beaker off in a Pyrex recrystallization dish, and was left with slightly gray crystal sheets of NaOH.




Lol would this actually work?

I know i should just get some real lye but since my extraction is already fucked up with the soappy shit and the white spirit i don´t really care if it will be unsmokkable, i will only use this batch for experimentation.