Quidding Caapi Leaves for sublingual dosing

[modern]

So in a means to be more self sustainable in my use I had this idea. The vine can be left to grow and thicken more while still dosing with leaf which is much weaker in content.
From older reports I've read its at minimum 1/5 the dose of vine. With the vine I love just drinking as a tea at 200mg harmalas it is enough to activate DMT but am aware that sublingual dosing you can use 30-50mg and have the same activation.

I tested 10 fresh caapi leaves of medium size. I quid the leaves and kept the juices under the tongue for a while. Then I just swallowed the leaf material since not too much.

20m I took 10mg of DMT benzoate since I've dosed this a few times I'm aware of the effects I commonly get and will be a nice and easy metric to use.

40m I had slight euphoria but it was weak... I didn't get the usual head rush which is common with tryptamine. There was slight color saturation

45m Slight increase in heart rate but not too fast more strong and you can feel each beat. I also felt a sort of "vibration" not shaking just an internal feeling

For the next hour I had color saturation but no clear DMT effects that I've ahd at this dose when take a compelte MAOI dosage.

2H I was completely baseline

I'll be increasing my dosage with time but was wondering if anyone has an established amount they use already? Extracting the caapi leaves isn't worth while unless already have a large amount dried.

 

[Animistic]

Ive chewed caapi leaves a bunch of times, in colder/drier times of year it seems stronger and ive had very discernable effects from 1 leaf. Something ive not yet done is chewed the leaf and taken some dmt. Your report here is very interesting to me though. i think this is a promising ROA. If I lived closer to my growing vine right now I'd join you in the testing. I may be able to get access to fresh leaf in the next few weeks though.

 

[modern]

Ive chewed caapi leaves a bunch of times, in colder/drier times of year it seems stronger and ive had very discernable effects from 1 leaf. Something ive not yet done is chewed the leaf and taken some dmt. Your report here is very interesting to me though. i think this is a promising ROA. If I lived closer to my growing vine right now I'd join you in the testing. I may be able to get access to fresh leaf in the next few weeks though.

dry leaves wouldn’t be a bad test either just wanted to establish a POC at possible range. I guess if too much material needed to quid maybe a 5-10x concentrate will work sublingual for this route.

 

[AstralRoots]

Interesting report. Thanks for sharing.

I've heard it said alkaloidally b. Caapi and s. Rue are identical. Surely the amounts must vary however can anyone chime in on this?

Ive been swallowing rue powder followed by acacia raw bark with great success. I'm wondering if others also enjoy this method of simplicity.

Have you considered attempting the same however instead of pure dmt eating some bark powder?

 

[Animistic]

They're different in that caapi is harmine dominant and the vine contains THH whereas rue is primarily harmaline dominant. You'll likely find examples where this isn't true but I wouldn't say the content is identical nor the subjective experience.

One thing I could see as potentially relevant with barks is that they'd be slower release and so maybe timing would be different to eating crystal. I've no experience with capped bark and only one experience with taking extracted DMT orally, preferring the brew route myself, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

 

[doubledog]

Interesting report. Thanks for sharing.

I've heard it said alkaloidally b. Caapi and s. Rue are identical. Surely the amounts must vary however can anyone chime in on this?

Ive been swallowing rue powder followed by acacia raw bark with great success. I'm wondering if others also enjoy this method of simplicity.

Have you considered attempting the same however instead of pure dmt eating some bark powder?

Caapi and Rue are subjectively quite different. For me, Rue, most likely due to high amount of harmaline and low of THH, is too heavy, not so joyful as is Caapi.

Ime from various extractions Rue contains 3-6% of alkaloids, Caapi 0.8-2%, and Caapi leaves 0.2-0.4%.

 

[AstralRoots]

Thanks for your insight friends.

I consumed b. Caapi plus either mimosa or chacruna a handful of times though never alone. Those experiences were held in a format where, for me, I found myself largely unable to more deeply engage in rapport with the medicine. Nonetheless I got a good taste of it.

The experience with rue and acrb felt extremely similar energetically though the more I reflect I do recall patent differences. Though my solo dose was at least a third the strength of the potions as the visuals with rue/acacia were quite a bit lesser in intensity.

Anyways, thanks for the thread @modern.

Can anyone recommend either red, yellow, or black? Why might one choose one over the other?

 

[MAGMA17]

Ive been swallowing rue powder followed by acacia raw bark with great success. I'm wondering if others also enjoy this method of simplicity.

I am from the same team!

 

[modern]

Chewed 20 caapi leaves for around 10 minutes… 2 seperate batches since too much. Didn’t swallow any just juices a little all kept in gums and under tongue and spit out.

15min after I took 10-12mg DMT Benzoate

20min feel good not euphoria but not baseline. Zero visual effects so far

30-40min slight time dilution didn’t notice any visual changes.

50min slight visual shaking in general but today is sunny so didn’t notice any visual saturation or brightness changes
I feel happy but still underwhelming for dose. Maybe I’ll try 10-20 leaves with higher DMT dosage.
There is more effect as far as body “high” slight body tensing and at base of scull have a slight tingling

1h ok so visuals are getting more saturated and slight visual distortions no fractals.

1h 10m very strong color saturation and brightness I think at a higher DMT dosage idk have the effects I’d expect at this dose. Say 20mg DMT would be what I get with 10mg with caapi tea and full maoi effect.
Closed eyes I see some blue but no fractals

1h30m neck tense vision not as strong as full tea dose. Some gastric discomfort
Sublingual seems shorter duration from these two experiences.

1h40m visuals never intensified and no fractals on objects were noticed. Slight gas/burping idk if related to dose

1h50m there is some “depth” causing a 3D/HD effect to textured surfaces but I usually get some minor fractals… I think next attempt I’ll go back to 10 leafs and a higher dose DMT up to 20mg.

2h I feel good but didn’t have normal head rush and no euphoria. Still have effects minor effects
I’ll try to pay attention to how long until baseline.

3h feel baseline food taste weird so maybe not 100% baseline

 

[Animistic]

Great report

I wonder if taking the DMT benzoate (or another salt) sublingually would be different since it seems like you're going for sublingual harmalas, there wouldn't be nearly the maoi effect in your gut as in your mouth.

 

[modern]

Great report

I wonder if taking the DMT benzoate (or another salt) sublingually would be different since it seems like you're going for sublingual harmalas, there wouldn't be nearly the maoi effect in your gut as in your mouth.

I do place under my tongue then swallow... IDK if it helps or not.

MAOI is the liver no? In any case any more than 20 leaves makes this unviable for quidding... I could try making a concentrate to keep upping the quid dose. But since I did have some effect at 10 and 20 I think upping the DMT may prove interesting even if short duration.

I may also attempt a tea from 30+ leaves in the future.

 

[Transform]

DMT benzoate is roughly only phi parts (or one Phi'th) DMT, so 10 mg is a pretty small dose (~6 mg freebase). There's a definite argument for increasing the dose to at least Phi times as much

 

[modern]

DMT benzoate is roughly only phi parts (or one Phi'th) DMT, so 10 mg is a pretty small dose (~6 mg freebase). There's a definite argument for increasing the dose to at least Phi times as much

Yea I’ll up the dose. With caapi tea even at lower dose I tend to get a good amount of visuals fractals in objects. I am fairly sensitive to most psychedelics but always shorter durations.

15-20mg should be a good dose for me… I’m not looking for a full experience testing this.

 

[RickBh]

Eu mastiguei folhas de caapi várias vezes, em épocas mais frias/secas do ano parece mais forte e tive efeitos muito perceptíveis em 1 folha. Algo que ainda não fiz foi mastigar a folha e tomar um pouco de DMT. Seu relatório aqui é muito interessante para mim. Acho que este é um ROA promissor. Se eu morasse mais perto da minha videira em crescimento agora, eu me juntaria a você nos testes. Talvez eu consiga ter acesso a folhas frescas

I confirm your words. I have 2 species of caapi planted. I chewed some leaves and the effect of a pleasant aura on everything is visible. I also confirm that in the dry and cold months it becomes much stronger. I have been constantly using caapi leaves because my plant is only 2 years old. It seems that the fresh leaves are stronger than the dry leaves. Thank you.

 

[RickBh]

When I drink pure caapi leaf tea without DMT, I completely connect with the plant kingdom. It is very pleasant, very spiritual.

 

[modern]

When I drink pure caapi leaf tea without DMT, I completely connect with the plant kingdom. It is very pleasant, very spiritual.

Yes caapi is my favorite and I take it almost daily. Caapi alone in high doses can indeed become psychedelic and just a small amount of DMT is needed to go quite far and indeed helps with many different aspects. Idk about the “reverse tolerance” of just means body more adapted to the harmalas or if stronger with time or something… but man the last say 100ml from a tea that has some settlement is much stronger than the rest of the tea. I think may be Harmine or another like Harmon and not plant material since I filtered quite well.
I took 40mL of tea which is around 250-350mg harmalas and I got quite a strong effect. Not enough to get auditory humming or CEV but slight time distortion and a little zoned out. I usually tossed the settlement when I finished my jar of tea but I’ll be saving it this time.

 

[modern]

6pm spit 10-12 caapi leafs after 10 minutes quidding under tongue dosed 20mg DMT Benzoate

6:20 inhibitions slightly lower… colors are saturated but not overly so. Slight time dilution but nothing too much.

I read more about older reports on sublingual harmalas and that the effects 1.5-2h seems to be the average duration which matches my limited experience.

6:40pm weak euphoria and cold feet. Colors slightly more saturated and very clear and bright.

7:10pm body is a bit tense and colors remain saturated and bright. Feel like I’m at threshold but more comfortable than I was at lower dose. If doesn’t increase in effect much I’ll give this only 1 more attempt at 35mg which is higher than I like when testing doses. I’m not looking for a full experience around 50-60mg. With full caapi tea dose 20mg is strong visuals and introspective so sublingual caapi seems too weak.

Still an hour or two to go

8:30 so overall feel good but was mainly just saturated colors and bright but no fractals or breathing. With this higher dose than 10mg it was more comfortable body wise but should have had much higher visuals even if for shorter duration.

sublingual dose 20mg DMT benzoate with tea effects are fairly strong visually and some insights as well I think I’ll do 35mg next attempt with 10-12 leaves is a good dose since easy to quid. Any more becomes hard and need to split. With 20 leaves I did have a stronger experience even with 10mg but taste is very green.


For those that smoke DMT quidding caapi seems strong enough to enhance just enough that it’ll extend the experience. With oral DMT doesn’t seem strong enough to be worth while maybe as a small boost after first hour.

 

[Animistic]

6pm spit 10-12 caapi leafs after 10 minutes quidding under tongue dosed 20mg DMT Benzoate

6:20 inhibitions slightly lower… colors are saturated but not overly so. Slight time dilution but nothing too much.

I read more about older reports on sublingual harmalas and that the effects 1.5-2h seems to be the average duration which matches my limited experience.

6:40pm weak euphoria and cold feet. Colors slightly more saturated and very clear and bright.

7:10pm body is a bit tense and colors remain saturated and bright. Feel like I’m at threshold but more comfortable than I was at lower dose. If doesn’t increase in effect much I’ll give this only 1 more attempt at 35mg which is higher than I like when testing doses. I’m not looking for a full experience around 50-60mg. With full caapi tea dose 20mg is strong visuals and introspective so sublingual caapi seems too weak.

Still an hour or two to go

8:30 so overall feel good but was mainly just saturated colors and bright but no fractals or breathing. With this higher dose than 10mg it was more comfortable body wise but should have had much higher visuals even if for shorter duration.

sublingual dose 20mg DMT benzoate with tea effects are fairly strong visually and some insights as well I think I’ll do 35mg next attempt with 10-12 leaves is a good dose since easy to quid. Any more becomes hard and need to split. With 20 leaves I did have a stronger experience even with 10mg but taste is very green.


For those that smoke DMT quidding caapi seems strong enough to enhance just enough that it’ll extend the experience. With oral DMT doesn’t seem strong enough to be worth while maybe as a small boost after first hour.

Thanks @modern! Is that fresh or dried caapi leaf?

 

[modern]

Thanks @modern! Is that fresh or dried caapi leaf?

Fresh leaves…

 

[Ruffles]

Do you just swallow the dmt or do sublingual and then swallow? It was not clear to me.

> 30 mg sublingual fumarate dmt 1h after 30-40 mg Gibran Tek caapi sublingual = 2 hr trip with a bit of a tail. Not visionary but way above threshold. Excellent for a 3 album chill.