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Quidding Caapi Leaves for sublingual dosing
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Here in Brazil we have many types of caapi, some of which are much stronger than others. The green and young leaves seem stronger to me when chewed. Dried leaves seem bad to me. What type of caapi did you chew and how many leaves? The Piaroa Indians here in Venezuela also chew caapi for fishing, hunting, taking long walks and even before inhaling yopo.
Meu e tucunaca 
I picked this type over caupuri since better cold tolerance since I'm in Southern Brasil I get "cold winters" as low as -2C a few nights
I chewed 10-12 leaves keeping them in gums and under tongue for around 10 minutes than swallow or spit out. It does provide some activation but doesn't seem strong enough considering I get stronger effects taking full dose caapi tea and the same amounts. Even 10mg of dmt benzoate causes strong effects with glossy vision and thinking... 20-25mg I get fractals.
Maybe my dmt isn't the purest but works for me.
I picked this type over caupuri since better cold tolerance since I'm in Southern Brasil I get "cold winters" as low as -2C a few nightsI chewed 10-12 leaves keeping them in gums and under tongue for around 10 minutes than swallow or spit out. It does provide some activation but doesn't seem strong enough considering I get stronger effects taking full dose caapi tea and the same amounts. Even 10mg of dmt benzoate causes strong effects with glossy vision and thinking... 20-25mg I get fractals.
Maybe my dmt isn't the purest but works for me.
northape
Established member
They are too weak, imo. Leafs provide some mild state alteration and most likely used similar to coca or tobacco chewing.
Were you referring to the tea made from the stem or the tea made from the caapi leaves?Meu e tucunaca
I chewed 10-12 leaves keeping them in gums and under tongue for around 10 minutes than swallow or spit out. It does provide some activation but doesn't seem strong enough considering I get stronger effects taking full dose caapi tea and the same amounts. Even 10mg of dmt benzoate causes strong effects with glossy vision and thinking... 20-25mg I get fractals.
Maybe my dmt isn't the purest but works for me.
The tea I mentioned as full effects is from the vine.
Hey Modern, amigo!
I see you have some standards you look for, like fractals, and open eye visuals.
There are many misconceptions regarding Aya experience that are widespread.
I have only taken my own brews so far in life, sometimes brewing with the influence of friends who know a lot about it, at the most.
Although I had not real open eye visuals (maybe faint tracers at the very most or something very minor), but with open eyes I could certainly drive.
While with closed eyes, I would have full mirations, meet with my Allies, and sometimes interact with them in a very complex manner.
Perhaps a little more light might be desirable sometimes depending on the kind of healing/learning one seeks, or perhaps the righteous nature of the brew, requires, or sort of demands order, alignment, cleanliness, and frugality perhaps also gets rewarded.
Also, during the daytime, is not the best time to take the brew, sure its ok, but the brew, as well as with most allies, its a nocturnal experience by nature.
Thats something that got my attention, because Ayahuasca distinguishes itself from the "regular" psychedelic experiences most have with Acid or Shrooms, and TBH, I don't even find that psychedelic really fits Ayahuasca (but thats just me), because its not just to take it and it does everything for the experiencer.
Ayahuasca demands order, organization, purpose, cleanliness, and the dark of the night, there are a few secrets perhaps to be unlocked.
Sublingual absorption works well for very few things, like Coca leaves for example.
And the MAO enzymes are found through the whole body, and through the blood, hence all tissues are dipped in MAO.
Next time, as to know if you're enough of MAOI, take a picture of yourself in the dark, under a black light. If you have attained MAO inhibition, the most irrigated parts of your face, like your eyes, and lips, tongue, will shine because your blood is shining, full of light.
I see you have some standards you look for, like fractals, and open eye visuals.
There are many misconceptions regarding Aya experience that are widespread.
I have only taken my own brews so far in life, sometimes brewing with the influence of friends who know a lot about it, at the most.
Although I had not real open eye visuals (maybe faint tracers at the very most or something very minor), but with open eyes I could certainly drive.
While with closed eyes, I would have full mirations, meet with my Allies, and sometimes interact with them in a very complex manner.
Perhaps a little more light might be desirable sometimes depending on the kind of healing/learning one seeks, or perhaps the righteous nature of the brew, requires, or sort of demands order, alignment, cleanliness, and frugality perhaps also gets rewarded.
Also, during the daytime, is not the best time to take the brew, sure its ok, but the brew, as well as with most allies, its a nocturnal experience by nature.
Thats something that got my attention, because Ayahuasca distinguishes itself from the "regular" psychedelic experiences most have with Acid or Shrooms, and TBH, I don't even find that psychedelic really fits Ayahuasca (but thats just me), because its not just to take it and it does everything for the experiencer.
Ayahuasca demands order, organization, purpose, cleanliness, and the dark of the night, there are a few secrets perhaps to be unlocked.
Sublingual absorption works well for very few things, like Coca leaves for example.
And the MAO enzymes are found through the whole body, and through the blood, hence all tissues are dipped in MAO.
Next time, as to know if you're enough of MAOI, take a picture of yourself in the dark, under a black light. If you have attained MAO inhibition, the most irrigated parts of your face, like your eyes, and lips, tongue, will shine because your blood is shining, full of light.
Ruffles
Established member
Sounds very much like the yellow green fluorescence of the salt forms of harmine and harmaline. Easier to see in UV or dark light.
Probably can be used to check if sublingual has been absorbed over time.
@Harlequin
I've seen a slight green on all my pores but that is when I was taking the tea almost daily... I've taken a break. The quidding doses I do have some activation but not the common amount with 20ml of tea which is around 200mg harmalas. I have read however that sublingual doses are shorter lived so seems like a normal experience.
The standard I look for to know the activation needs to have some sort of 'standard' with my common day trip doses which I prefer heavier 'forca' with just a small amount of 'light'. I fairly commonly have 'visions' without trouble but I guess everyone is a bit different. A friend on shroomery mentioned that some friends of his don't have visions with small amounts of light while others have no issues.
When I was younger I know I needed heavier doses but recently noticed I don't need much to go far. With just 10-15mg+ dmt I have strong open eye visuals with fractals on objects and strong colors others mention needing much more. Doesn't happen with sublingual.
I would always dose everything at night but have preferred day doses in recent years. The few times I've dosed high I've never met 'entities' but have full 'mind trips' but always gentle. Reading experiences from smoked has always seems too intense to me.
I've seen a slight green on all my pores but that is when I was taking the tea almost daily... I've taken a break. The quidding doses I do have some activation but not the common amount with 20ml of tea which is around 200mg harmalas. I have read however that sublingual doses are shorter lived so seems like a normal experience.
The standard I look for to know the activation needs to have some sort of 'standard' with my common day trip doses which I prefer heavier 'forca' with just a small amount of 'light'. I fairly commonly have 'visions' without trouble but I guess everyone is a bit different. A friend on shroomery mentioned that some friends of his don't have visions with small amounts of light while others have no issues.
When I was younger I know I needed heavier doses but recently noticed I don't need much to go far. With just 10-15mg+ dmt I have strong open eye visuals with fractals on objects and strong colors others mention needing much more. Doesn't happen with sublingual.
I would always dose everything at night but have preferred day doses in recent years. The few times I've dosed high I've never met 'entities' but have full 'mind trips' but always gentle. Reading experiences from smoked has always seems too intense to me.
@modern
Sure everyone is different. I've known people who never got anything out of Aya, trying for decades, but lol, they were like on antipsychotics and such. No wonder.
I respect very much all Allies, but at least to me, the 'Aya magic', has only started when I actually started to brew with the traditional materials, I mean, Caapi, and Psychotria alba/cartha/viridis, for some reason. Perhaps there are more subtle chemicals playing some role we don't yet comprehend fully.
I never belonged nor went to any of the churches, I never heard one single good report from people who went there, at least. Although, by practice, trial and error, I cannot say why, but the traditional ingredients are key. It should not be any difficult for you to obtain plenty of material for making your own cuttings, but until you can get your harvests you can get the leaves or vine from a trusted cultivator.
The UV light thing was more of a scientific spirit kind of idea that blew my mind when I saw it happening, I think I've noticed it the most with Aya, and Cacti. But others can have a similar effect, albeit perhaps not so glowy, Shrooms and LSD also produce changes and even the most common UV lights can show it.
Sure everyone is different. I've known people who never got anything out of Aya, trying for decades, but lol, they were like on antipsychotics and such. No wonder.
I respect very much all Allies, but at least to me, the 'Aya magic', has only started when I actually started to brew with the traditional materials, I mean, Caapi, and Psychotria alba/cartha/viridis, for some reason. Perhaps there are more subtle chemicals playing some role we don't yet comprehend fully.
I never belonged nor went to any of the churches, I never heard one single good report from people who went there, at least. Although, by practice, trial and error, I cannot say why, but the traditional ingredients are key. It should not be any difficult for you to obtain plenty of material for making your own cuttings, but until you can get your harvests you can get the leaves or vine from a trusted cultivator.
The UV light thing was more of a scientific spirit kind of idea that blew my mind when I saw it happening, I think I've noticed it the most with Aya, and Cacti. But others can have a similar effect, albeit perhaps not so glowy, Shrooms and LSD also produce changes and even the most common UV lights can show it.
I had a very, very strong experience, drinking a tea made from jagube leaves and buds. About 200 grams of leaves. Boiling these leaves twice for 45 minutes each time and adding lemon to acidify, then reducing these two liquids. I must have drunk about 150 ml of this tea. Then, 1 hour later, I drank a jurema made with wine, 15 ml. Then I drank another 15 ml. The strength was overwhelming with very strong visions. When I opened my eyes, I saw strange things too. Anyway, jagube leaves are definitely a strong MAOI.